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get 99,000 annual salary now and Nyc Ems was not even considered... I always wondered why you see cops and everyone striking and Ems never seem to go that far..I think that is why we get paid so little.. If we were to strike we might get a raise to... $12 an hour is not cutting it...

This is currently a holding pattern, as it is 40 minutes to showtime, and I'll probably do the point by point posting sometime tomorrow morning or early afternoon. Until then, Hey! Let's be careful out there!

That may be the case that we've all forgotten a cup of coffee, but this was no cup of joe, this was a laptop that would have done major damage (possibly even killed?) any person it would land on. In short, yes it was a mistake, yes it was human error, but there should be remedial training to help lessen the chance that the crew will do this again.

I agree with Don. How many times have we set a cup of coffee on the hood or roof of the ambulance.. and forgot about it when driving off? Shit happens.. just because this was a more expensive mistake and potential deadly accident doesn't change the fact that we are all human and make silly mistakes.. like forgetting you put something on the ground.

Spenac: I'm sorry, friend... I think you're a very intelligent poster and usually have a lot to offer, but you totally copped out on this thread. If you have experts to support your position and opinion, please, put it out there so the rest of us can work through it too. Don't just say you have them and then claim that you're taking some sort of moral high ground by not providing the evidence that you claim to have... all that does is make you look SCARED to back up your claims. No, I mean really. I've never seen you do that before. What gives?? Wendy CO EMT-B

You know what, this show is starting to become pretty entertaining. Of course they're still making mistakes, but they're capturing characters a lot better now than they were before. Best line ever: "I was gonna let a doctor, or at least someone smarter than Bo, decide that this guy was dead..." That whole sequence just had me ROLLING because I've totally met EMSer's like Bo. TOO FUNNY!! If you know your partner is a writer, don't go to their readings... you don't want to hear how they write you, because you're just plain not going to like it. That goes for any profession where you've given your coworker permission to write about you... God, I hate to say it, but I think I like this show... it's got some decent character development going on even if it still isn't totally realistic. *ducks and waits for the negatives* Wendy CO EMT-B

I think you've misunderstood the entire content and intent of my post. At no time did I advocate using corporal punishment to discipline children. As a matter of fact, my posting was purely observational, and I intentionally left my personal feelings out it. By doing so, I merely pointed out that there are other methods available to discipline children. Furthermore, by not getting emotionally caught up in the debate, I beliveve I've given creedence to my observations. I'm glad you think that we're making 'progress', but since I remained purely obeservational in the entire posting; how can you presume to know which side of the debate I'm advocating? It seems to me that you've already made up your mind that I advocate one method over the other, when in fact, I've remained entirely neutral.

I am getting the impression from all the information being given so far that the gentleman has heart disease. Walk with me here, please... Patient present with hypertension, causing stress and probably some degree of ischemia on the heart. The EKG shows left bundle branch block and strain pattern. After the patient receives anti hypertensive agents, Metoprolol and Nitroglycerin, his symptoms of chest pain, Left Bundle Branch Block and Strain pattern disappear. I am assuming the abnormal EKG finding for this patient is the lack of hypertrophy of the heart after the treatment is provided. Although the coagulation panels are normal, this patient still has risk factors for clots, those being sedentary, overweight, and a smoker. I think pulmonary embolism could still be a possibility, even in the face of a normal coagulation panel, but sudden onset C/P, Shortness of Breath, and transient LBBB (seen during ischemia). Of course, for pulmonary embolism, the interesting EKG finding is the lack of tachycardia. I think the treatment provided by the health care provider and the findings afterwards points more towards heart disease rather than pulmonary embolism. Just my thoughts, eat me alive ! LOL Matt.

This comment does not say much. What kind of environment did the kid live in to deserve to get the hell beat out of him/her? I can agree with you that beating the hell out of a child will not change anything. Knee jerk reactions teach nothing productive. Beating the hell out of a kid is going to teach fear, pain, and teach that violence is a solution to most of life’s problems. Teaching a child how to handle situations in life in an effective manner goes a lot farther than striking a child and leaving them with no tools to handle life’s situations in the long run. Drug users and alcoholics are not necessarily bad people. Everyone in prison is innocent, so I will not go there. Haha. So, did spanking keep you from making decisions in your life that can be negative and unhealthy, or did having an understanding of how life works and how to handle situations prevent the negative and unhealthy in your life? Where are smokers in your list of drug abusers and alcoholics? Are all smokers bad people too? So, when you get to be an old fart and your children decide to be responsible adults and take care of you in their home, is it ok for them to spank you when you do something wrong? Teaching your children violence to solve most of life’s issues seems like a worthless tool to pass along. I agree bro, we are getting somewhere. The tools a child needs are those which promote self improvement, and in my opinion, without the use of violence. This reminds me of some parents that say ‘I made my child smoke a cigarette so they would be turned off to the idea of smoking’. Let us get this straight, you are going to make the child smoke, expose the kid to this ‘tool’, and then expect him not to use it (the tool, which is smoking). WTF? It is like saying, I do not want my child to be violent, but I am going to be violent to scare the child into doing what I expect, and then expect them not to use violence… It seems the knee jerk reaction of spanking teaches that it is ok to have knee jerk reactions to life situations. My take on things… Matt

What is "Lulz"? 1) Glen is apparently at a writing class, discussing his book. 2) Rabbit is yelling at the traffic ahead of him that is not moving out of the way. Even if not out loud, don't we all do that? (Don't lie, I know you do!) 3) Referencing to the Jackson, MS crew staging too close to the shooting, and Scene Safety, Rabbit and Nancy had a "Save" of their shooting victim, until the gunman followed them to the hospital ambulance dock, and shot him dead on their stretcher. When the black limo pulled up in the ambulance dock, it telegraphed what was to happen. It just reinforces my pessimistic view that there ain't no place safe. 4) Can anyone confirm if San Francisco is a "Safe Haven Law" town? For the uninformed, this means a newborn to 2 week old can be brought to an Emergency Services station or house, questioned only as to any special needs of the baby, and no legal actions taken against whoever brings the baby there. Kind of what happened with the woman dropping the baby off to Glen in front of the station. 5) Unusual paring of Tyler and Nancy doing BVM on the baby to bring up the heart rate, while Glen drove, but I usually don't argue with what works. 6) The blind leading the blind: Rabbit asking Marisa relationship questions? 7) Tyler's dad is in town. Is Tyler going to "Out" himself? 8) Nancy's weirdest call? A violent, self destructive EDP tearing up his own apartment. Standard stuff for most of us, but the EDP turns out to not only be a station-mate, but her future boyfriend, Rabbit! Then he berates her for saving his life in the helicopter crash that killed all aboard except Rabbit, including Nancy's fiancee. It does at least explain why, in a previous episode, Rabbit trashed the closet doors in Nancy's apartment. 9) One punch knockout of Nancy's partner? 2 cops and chemical restraint to temporarily calm down Rabbit? The EMT didn't press charges, due to embarrassment at being knocked out? 10) I need chemical information. Codeine slows down body systems? The "He dead" patient may have also had Mammalian Diving Reflex, even though the water may not have been all that cold. 11) When Tyler's dad announced he had Lymphoma, it was the correct decision, for that moment, not to advise dad that Tyler is gay. 12) Nancy unknowingly blows off the home made dinner with Rabbit to "bond" with the baby she, Tyler and Glen saved. So many rules these EMSers break, and she has her telephone turned off in the hospital? 13) At least she had the decency, on finding out what had transpired, attempted to call Rabbit to apologize. 14) Tyler incorrectly using the radio, as he "Trolls" for calls. AGAIN! At least he caught one. 15) Marisa was married? She goes stereotype "Latin Spitfire" at the "other woman", threatening to kill her, then, as "other woman" runs away and falls down the stairs, Marisa renders aid? 16) See 15. This causes her to sign back up for another tour of duty in the sandbox? While I may joke a lot about Military "Intelligence", the folks in the Pentagon can't be that dumb to allow her back in, so soon, for that reason. 17) I agree with the statement, "Normal ain't what it's cracked up to be." 18) Suspend reality, we got a script here! Would any of us flat out ask a patient questions about someone in the crew's personal relationships? 19) Apparently, the first time Dr Diane saw Glen, her current paramour, he was bringing in a child with more gunshots (14) than he had years of age. She misidentifies him, an EMT, as a Paramedic. At least we know that happens, as us EMTs are either Drivers or Paramedics to the public, as seemingly nobody knows what an EMT is. (Rant over.) 20) Nancy doesn't have to bond anymore with the baby, seems there's at least 10 families want to adopt. Good for "Baby Jane". 21) While Tyler's dad has Lymphoma, they "caught" it in time to treat fully, good prognosis towards full recovery. 22) Dad had suspected Tyler was Gay, but accepts this fact, while saying many from back home wouldn't. 23) Can fog be so invasive through open windows as to prevent rescuers from seeing a large pet python? 24) Glen, again reading from his "book", comments on Nancy. Despite how tough she can be, figuratively, the baby brought Nancy down to her knees. 25) Nancy set off by Glen's revealing the chink in her armor, calmed down by Rabbit. She questions if the two of them can achieve "normalcy".

... and 6 hours after you shaved your moustache?

Don't mind him, he just likes to bitch and remind everyone he is better than everyone else. Many EMS personel refer to going on "calls". I myself, don't run when I am dispatched. In a way, I am called to go there.

Shit happens... it was an accident. Now if said crew threw stuff out of the helicopter when in flight, that would be different. Forgetting something, some where, anywhere... it happens.