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Having watched the argument/debate/stone-throwing between Dwayne and Ruffems, I am reminded why I sometimes get frustrated with some of the threads. Dwayne, I don’t always disagree with you, but in this case, I will. OK, Ruff’s post didn’t provide ALL the details; however, he did quote his source, and if we disagree, or have more questions, maybe we should look it up, and build a case as to why we disagree. You shot down his post as being crap without truly arguing the other side based on more than opinion. I expected you to come back with “the statistics you gave were inaccurate because on website _____ the federal/state/municipal statistics show that there is racial profiling,” not “offer my passionate, and contrary point of view.” (yes, this last quote was directed at Herbie, but it shows your focus throughout this thread so far). A point of view does not prove another’s wrong. I expect that when someone argues against my posts, that they do it with facts that show my post was in the wrong, not just in a “...lets not spew statistics that seem to make your point but we all know don't actually do so.” Actually, contrary to your statement “of posting irrelevant shit and pretending that it supports your argument,” the site Ruffems quoted has a pretty significant breakdown of the figures, which actually does support his argument. So, let’s take a look at the statistics provided on the Raymore police department: Statewide population over the age of 16 (based on 2007 census) : Whites 83.95% Blacks 10.72% Local population over the age of 16: Whites 90.79% Blacks 4.25% Now, we also have to take into account that Raymore is a trade centre for a large area, and a suburb of Kansas City, and that police stops will include those that don’t live within the limits of Raymore. If we turn the number of stops, searches, and arrests into percentages, we find the following: Percentage of stops: White 88.047% Blacks 9.85% - does this prove racial profiling? Based on the total population percentages, it appears that the police department is not targeting a specific group Percentage of Searches: White 80.94% Black 14.38% - does this prove racial profiling? Maybe – we have to consider if the search was based on plain sight evidence, which is also in the document provided by Ruff.. Percentage of Arrests: White 77.29% Black 17.13% - does this prove racial profiling? Maybe – we have to consider if the search was based on plain sight evidence, and if the arrest was based on scene findings or on a previous warrant, which is also in the document provided by Ruff.. I could go into more and more detail, which could take pages and pages…. The point I am trying to make is that too often I see someone’s post get shot down based on opinion more than fact, and when statistics and links are provided, rather than looking at them and studying them, they use the “stats can say anything” line. It is a shortcut, and a copout, rather than doing the research to effectively argue against the other poster. OK, I am done derailing this thread.

When did you become such a crybaby?? I most often believe that I am wrong, or at least partially wrong, but am not sure how to discuss things from that perspective. I argue from the point of view of being right until one of my betters shows me the errors of my thinking, logic, etc. That's the problem, next time think about the information instead of posting irrelevant shit and pretending that it supports your argument. Don't blame the SHP for the fact that you failed to think through the information you posted. I might expect such nonsense from a new poster, but you? Pretty surprising. Trying to muddy the waters with the Wiccans/Pegans bullshit isn't going to fly brother. There are few here foolish enough to consider that a valid argument. Easily the most idiotic thing I've seen posted on the forums in a long time. The make-up of the population that the statistics are drawn from are vital if you are going to attempt to show that there is no profiling occurring, or as it appears you attempted to show, reverse profiling. I made the comment that I believed that you are plenty smart to get that, though unfortunately your comment above shows that I was mistaken. Of course you can, as can anyone else that debates on this forum. Simply don't try and present bullshit as a valid argument. See? Easy. I'm not sure how we do that exactly? I'm not going to stop commenting on posts that catch my attention and that I find interesting. Unless you are suggesting that you are no longer going to post then I suggest we simply continue to debate until we come to a better solution. Dwayne

I thank you both, both good reponses. I wont accept until I get some good info about the job. The lady I talked to was just the human resouce lady and did not apear to know aboput the ems aspects. Thanks. Run fast-think small-pray the other guy is a bad shot. Dont step on anything that goes boom. Like we used to say in the Persian Gulf-look on the bright side, there isnt one.

I believe that one is one too many.

About nine years ago, I ran a really bad call that kinda got to me. I had some trouble sleeping for a good while, and I was prescibed a moderate dose of Ambien to help me get through the night. I took one. Wow. It caused me to hallucinate, slightly. I was seeing colors, and hearing things, like people talking to me, music. It was all so vivid. Someone came to stay w/ me till I went to sleep, and claimed that during my diatribe, I proclaimed I had discovered the meaning of life. I said "Life is who you are, and there's nothing more to it than that". Apparently. Maybe it's true. If there was no reason for our existance, we'd have ceased to be, long ago. Anything that lives and thrives, has a purpose. What is that purpose? Exactly. Maybe we're better off not knowing.