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Nobody thinks Islam is the only religion that can be abused. History has shown- and was pointed out here- that many religions have been perverted and used as "weapons" to justify extreme viewpoints. Problem is, Islam is the religion de jour now. Last time I checked, the folks causing mayhem throughout the world are MUSLIM extremists, not Baptists, Wicans, or Lutherans. The problems with the Catholic church- pedophiles- is an issue that needs to be addressed by the Catholic church. Many folks are straying from that religion because of the way they have handled this issue. That is their problem, but nobody can say that any form of Catholicism justifies or explains this behavior. I have yet to see a priest cite a biblical passage that condones molesting children. The radical Muslims use an aberrant form of Islam to justify their actions. Not even remotely the same thing.

It may seem redundant that you have to sit through these classes but that is exactly what continuing education is. The equipment you train on is not always the same you have at work. There may be some differences in equipment and even if you know how to operate them, your company needs to cover themselves liable to assure themselves you are "trained". I had a similar situation. After medic school, while I was waiting on a better job to come up, I was still working at a factory that made mattress frames. I STILL had to sit through a few classes on using the AED, CPR, and first aid. They were instructed by people that were not healthcare workers. They were people that the company sent to get instructor cards. Your AHA may not be sufficient to their CPR because most industrial companies used Red Cross. Yea, it is the same "CPR" but it is not the same certification. Your boss was right but did a very poor job of making their point. ps... it is not always wise to insult employers on a public forum, just an fyi

Doc, I agree with your comments - AHS will not change protocols for one municipality. And Jonas, you make a very valid point. Where I work, the fire department responds to all calls L&S the entire way, day or night. I notice that this councillor did not mention the fire department, which would be under municipal regulations, but only ambulance... maybe that should be mentioned as well. I think I should email Edmonton city council and mention that...

Because that's the context of this thread and the statement which I was responding to. I haven't seen that. Actually, quite a few posts have acquiesced to the Catholic church, Christianity etc having been misused in various situations and times in history. Things keep coming back to Islam, however, because it's the entire starting point of the thread and the circumstances and history making up the news story behind it.

I guess your safety guy is following a World War Two "mantra:"

Yup he's a moron. There was no life gaurd on his gene pool. But. I think the reason you should go is team ethics as well to support your local safety Nazi. Its a thankless job.

One of the jobs I had in MI, I was working for a manufacturing company that produced cowls for several automobile manufacturers. I tried to get onto the 'first response team' since I had credentials in hazardous materials (awareness and response) as well as firefighting and had my EMT-B, (AED, CPR, BTLS, and PHTLS). The supervisor that I had to talk to (who by, the way didn't like me), stated that since it wasn't 'the (insert company name here) way', my credentials meant nothing. I offered to take their silly classes and was told "it isn't feasible to bring the instructors in for just one person". I guess the 'company way' outranks the 'State requirements'! While I agree that the classes would be a break with pay from the daily grind of 'industrial duties', the supervisors (especially if they're trained themselves) need to realize that EMT outranks MFR any day of the week, in any situations where there is a 'first responder' situation. Unfortunately, even as an EMT, if the First Responder does something wrong, the higher license has to answer for it; even if only for nothing more than being a 'higher license'. In the field, the EMT-P must answer for the actions of the lower license levels on their truck. Similarly, if the field crew commits a breech of protocol resulting in injury, the Medical Command Physician must also answer for the actions of the offending crew. This concept is known as ‘Respondeat superior’ (Let the master answer). This applies to more than just the employee/employer relationship. We’re taught this in Med/Legal as an EMT-B. (I can’t say if MFR is taught this, since I’ve never taken a MFR class). The concept is further reinforced at the EMT-I and EMT-P levels. While I cannot cite specific case law where this has actually occurred, there IS the potential for the EMT-B to have to answer for the actions of any MFR on site, simply because they were the ‘higher licensed provider in house’ at the time of the incident. A ‘personal injury lawyer’ is going to go searching to find anyone and everyone that they can make pay. This will include a higher licensed health care provider.