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When I was in the military, I was ordered to appear before a Military Court Martial committee because one of the members I served with was accused of being gay. When you get orders to appear, it's the same as a subpoena; you don't get the choice to just not do it. To my knowledge, it was never proven whether he was or wasn't gay. His career was destroyed simply on an accusation. Did it matter to me that he was what some would call 'effeminate'? Not in the least! He was a friend and a fellow Airman....thats all I needed to know. Did I worry that he was going to make a pass at me, especially in the shower? Not at all. IF he WAS gay, he didn't flaunt it and he damn sure never pushed his 'way of life' on others. The only issue that I MIGHT have with gays in the military is if someone decides to undergo gender reassignment surgery, especially if they expect the government to pick up the tab. I'm NOT suggesting that this is why the gay community wants to serve... The only reason it was even mentioned is because we know that there ARE elements of society that DO try to abuse the 'system' when they get the opportunity. It was always my understanding that "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" wasn't a measure to keep gays out of the military, it just limited the straight members from having it thrown in their faces (as in Gay Pride parades and other demonstrations of one's homosexuality). I don't agree with the practice in civillian life either. If you're gay, I don't care. If you're attracted to members of the same sex....more power to you....there's just no need to make a big production out of letting the whole world know that this is your lifestyle. This thought process isn't just limited to the gay community. I don't believe that we need some big celebration of the fact that you're into the 'goth lifestyle', BDSM, S&M or whatever else floats your boat... The straignt community, and all the other 'alternative lifestyles' don't have to make some big hooplah to let the world know that this is their lifestyle, why is it that the gay community feels compelled to do it? Do I have any issues working, associating or otherwise interacting with members of the gay community? Not in the slightest. I happen to know for FACT that their 'gayness' will not rub off and turn me gay simply because I happen to have friends, coworkers and associates that are. Congratulations emtpociets, you've just made Archie Bunker look like a saint! But before you start celebrating your accomplishment, may I suggest that you put down the shovel that you're using to dig the hole you're in before you dig so deep that you'll never be able to get out of it. Please tell us though....who is going to be your next target? Not that I really want to hear whatever drivel you have to spout, I just don't want to be blindsided by it....

I'm still stumped on the whole distraction thing. I am easily distracted by shiny objects. I am also easily distracted by a man with no shirt who has a great set of washboard abs.... does that mean that I am a menace to society? (I refuse to comment on the troll emtpociet's posts - it would be a waste of my time to expend energy on the garbage that person posts). I am easily distracted by a completely rebuilt 1972 Chev truck, especially if it is red. What is this "distraction" that people are talking about when they talk about gays in the military? Gays are there to do a job, just like straight people. There is no more distraction than having a male soldier check out a female soldier, or vice versa. Soldiers are supposed to be adults and act like adults. This distraction excuse is just that - an excuse. I'm also stumped by the DADT being a complete discrimination issue, and people thinking that is ok to leave it in place, with no evidence to support it. In the workplace, I can't hire or fire someone based on their sexual orientation. If their actions are contrary to the job that the hold, and puts the project or someone's life or limb in jeopardy, that is a completely different thing. Their ACTIONS made the difference, not their orientation. Yes Herbie, there are a lot of things in the US that should be on the top 250 list... the economy, employment figures, the US trade deficit, the instability of the US dollar, education, health care..... the list can go on and on. That being said, those people that the citizens of the US voted into power decided that this was something they wanted to work on. You don't agree, voice your opinion to your elected officials, and use your vote to express your displeasure.

Lone, you may do well on a grammar test but you failed when it came to posting on internet forums. You forgot to include the link, man.

Care to back that up with some scientific evidence or are you just covering up your own homosexual arousal? It still amazes me that in this day and age this is still an issue. Sexual orientation does not make or break a soldier, how well you can shoot a gun does. Sexual orientation has no effect on a persons ability to shoot. It's funny how the people that are the most against gays serving in the military are the ones that are most boisterous about protecting people's rights and freedoms. Pretty hypocritical. They will fight for your rights and freedoms, as long as it doesn't disagree with their beliefs. Red headed people make me nervous, they shouldn't be allowed to serve either. Herbie, so are you saying that basic human rights shouldn't be a priority?

Good lord...I just read through a bit of the thread on the acls kit on the zombie killer website. Someone brought up how unrealistic most of these things are and just got slammed by all these whack-jobs.... This is quite the expensive, dangerous, and quite frankly creepy toy. The whole spirit of it goes against the whole responsible medicine thing I'm sure all of us have learned. Good for a laugh I guess, and as long as it keeps the guy sorting in the basement and away from me, I'm okay with it.

they are quoting the kind of bigoted claims that used to be used by the CoC as to why prohibiting homosexuals ( of either gender) from serving, as per usual the 'land of the free' is decades behind the rest of the civilised world...