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Congrats on the first solo.

Sorry that answer will not fly. No excuse not to improve care. I live in a very rural area. 90 miles to hospital. 250 miles to nearest college. Do some reading in the rural area of the city and you'll see how to make your service paid. Welcome to the city.

Well Pink I'm sure the professional in both of them will allow this lovers spat to blow on over.

Well now that the lovers spat has ended back to the birds. I think I'll eat my birds seperate.

Lots of my wreck scenes have made the news.

I do feel that we must act in harmony with our prayers and do all we can within the guidelines from the bible. Based on my study of the bible I feel it is wrong to accept blood but other than that I want the best care possible. And honestly as already stated if I'll die w/o odds are I'll still die with blood transfusion. I respect your views and on behalf of my spiritual family I thank those of you that have respected our faith by not forcing blood transfusions. This is an educated decision we make to adhere to God's word. Yes some may make mistakes in their understanding of medical science, obviously by the many mistakes discussed here on the city even us healthcare professionals still don't understand it all. Our decision would not change even if there were no other options available. This topic is one that will not be solved here. On the site that I linked is a lot of info on many alternatives to blood transfusions along with references to many of the most reputable medical organizations. There are stats and facts from those medical organizations that might just change you view of the medical value of blood transfusions in our day and age. There are several videos and other written information. Hospitals can request a seminar that even goes much deeper so that healthcare professionals will better be able to treat all patients not just Jehovah's Witnesses.

Thank you for your post. http://www.watchtower.org/e/vcae/article_01.htm[web:36aa4396e4]http://www.watchtower.org/e/vcae/article_01.htm[/web:36aa4396e4]

Vent thanks for your input. That is sad that someone would abandon their child for any reason. I assure you that the refusal of blood transfusion by a Jehovah's Witness is not abandonment. They still want the best care just minus the blood. There are many bloodless hospitals worldwide now. Many new better procedures that benefit all have been developed because of our stand.

Honestly the only thing we need to do as EMS if someone tells us there faith or that they do not want a treatment is tell the hospital that the patient or patients parents stated they are XYZ faith and do not want PQRS treatment. It is not our place to judge. As to your statement that they killed the child. That is wrong. His injurys killed him. I have seen children die from reactions to transfusions. Would it be fair for me to say the parents killed them for allowing a transfusion? Heck would it be fair to blame parents with children with autism of being bad parents because they allowed shots? What you said and my examples of blame would not be fair or right. There are risks in all medical procedures. In fact there are risks in everything we do everyday including breathing, who's to say what toxic stuff we are breathing at anytime. To itku2er I am sorry that religion beliefs caused problems in family. Jesus himself basically mentioned faith would divide familys. I am a Jehovah's Witness. I have heard many misconceptions about us. Sadly one of them is we let our children die. We don't. We pursue the best medical care. What medical procedures we get are our choice , besides accepting whole blood or it's 4 main parts which based on the bible we do not accept. It is just like you going to doctor and being told you need something done. If your like me if your not familiar with it you go home research it then decide whether to get the procedure done or to try an alternative. You make an educated decision and go forward. I ask all to look at the information on blood transfusions at the links I provided. They are not links to convert your faith they are there to help you understand our medical choice.

paramedicmike these problems are nation wide. Maybe worse there. The only education that seems to stick with callers here in Texas is the more serious they make it sound when they call the quicker they can expect an ambulance. We have some frequent fliers that know all the tricks. They will have a stomach ache but guess what they call in, thats right I'm having a heart attack or chest pain or well you know the choices. They stub there toe and they call in chest pain etc. What is sad when you recognize the address it is just hard to get motivated. Sadly one day it will be real and all the crying wolf might cause a lower level response.

Funny how that works. Sometimes when I post a topic and expect no or few replys it runs forever. Then items I feel will get lots of interest go unanswered. Just never no what will get people talking. Now 1 reply closer to the record.

Wow Wendy agrees with me. Record this historic event. As to Zippy, I am not responding as I feel we are going way away from origional topic.

This is the problem I have ranted about often. I really think the you call we haul deal needs to end. We need to deny transport. But in saying that some of the idiotic things paramedics have done recently ( some discussed this forum ) maybe all we really are educated enough to be is glorified low paid taxi drivers.

Odds are if a person dies w/o a blood transfusion they would have died with it. If a person is in that bad of shape not hope no matter what fluid is used. Jehovah's Witnesses want the best medical care short of violating God's law as they understand it ( Acts 15: 20,29 amongst others ). Have you ever asked one, politely not rudely, that knocked on your door about why they choose not to take blood? Have you ever researched the subject? To make it easy for you here is a couple of links: http://www.watchtower.org/e/hb/index.htm http://www.watchtower.org/e/medical_care_and_blood.htm http://www.noblood.org/ http://www.time.com/time/reports/heroes/bloodless.html People have the right to make decisions about their bodys. Parents have the right to decide what care is given to children. Again if you research the subject and actually see what Jehovah's Witnesses believe about it you will see they are not refusing care they are only refusing one form of treatment. Dirty hit it on the head when he said "On the other hand faith is a huge part of what keeps people progressing in life and should be respected."

Crying is fine. No shame in it. We are human, calloused but human. Some patients just bring back memorys. Some just we bond with for some unknown reason. We are human. The day [s:9e628f8081]we[/s:9e628f8081] I no longer feel is the day [s:9e628f8081]we[/s:9e628f8081] I must get out.

Really seems some of the medics need to join CIA torture contact companys. There is no justification. They are either faking or you have your answer to AVPU. It is sad that we have to put a disclaimer on all posts now. DISCLAIMER: No actual disclaimers were harmed in the making of this post.

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You are right and others agreed. This person was not able to get a job anywhere else in our area.

Already posted today: http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.ph...&highlight=

We are to petty. Lets fight over something more important than this. Lets just use medics as a generic which most services in my area do anyway.

Wow gotta have it. :roll: Hey whats the small print say? I need new glasses.

This is a stupid idea. You can not be the best when you are so divided. This also could prove detrimental as more people with questionable backgrounds not calling for an ambulance when they need it because they know cops would be entering their homes. As a cop when you are on EMS shift can you honestly shut it off and ignore the bag of pot on the table? No. We are not public safety we are mobile medical professionals. Fire and LE have no business involved in EMS.

Then WOW FF's admitting they are not the best at patient care. :twisted: But really some of our brothers from down under whats up with this? Your busy body American brothers want to know.

So we need to do away with all levels other than Paramedic on the ambulance. We need better education which the leads to the end of the you call we haul taxi driver system we now have. We take EMS away from fire and law and make it strictly a field of healthcare professionals. We then flood the public so that they recognize us as healthcare professionals and not as ambulance driving firefighters.