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Let's not take ourselves so seriously remember we don't save lives we just prolong peoples miserable existence. But seriously when we publicly downgrade our patients it does hurt our attempts to be viewed as medical professionals. Yes we need humor but lets keep it with our peers, just like when we need to vent we keep it with our peers. Before ya'll say it maybe I need to vent a little less and I'll pass that on to all my personalitys.

Notice I said if they prove could not be expected to do the job. Also said case by case. I never said blanket statements of no.

Dang it not again I hate it but I agree with R/r. There are many times you need a more accurate temp for definitive care. I can see only doing it on the rare times in the ambulance, but come on in the ER relying on inaccurate methods, just scary. Serious patients need to be completly evaluated so they can be properly treated. I hope you have just missed the more detailed exams otherwise I feel for your hospitals patients.

Just to kinda get back on topic some things to remember. People with certain illnesses and disabilities are protected from discrimination. Those same laws exempt certain jobs. EMS is one that can discriminate so to speak if it can prove because of your illness or disability you cannot be reasonably expected to handle the job. Not everyone should be able to do every job, just not reasonable. Not taking sides about diabetes would say it would need case by case look see.

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First worked for the fire service didn't it. Second just like fire service the gory and "heroic" calls are rare as stated in posts here today. Never said they were the norm. Third yes we educate, we go out in community. Hell many in community come to my house with questions and for BP checks and I mean my house not the station. Just saying our attempts to educate would be better received if could let the public actually see some real footage. FF campaigns would get a whole lot less success if only contained stats and know big fire scenes with FF in them. FF have gotten the public to feel their pain, to feel their joy, they have tried to let the citizens get a sense of what they can do. Nothing misleading showing what you actually do and providing the stats with it. Stats will be forgotten but an image will stay of them seeing us working our butts off to save a life or holding a newborn, etc. Fire depts don't usually give the stats when the send out info. They send out requests to back them or even educational material they almost always use photos of that rare big fire or rescue. Not misleading, your advertising. Your getting their focus so they will be interested in learning what we do.

What we need is actual footage of when we do an emergency c-sect in the field no wait that was from saved. I really feel that actual photos or video could help our quest to be viewed as medical professionals, it needs to be left in control of us so it doesn't go after the negative. Needs to be in house, but the question is how legally? Pics of us in blood and guts front page, just like FF carrying baby out of burning buildings.

Universal healthcare is a long way off if ever in USA. Even if new president is 2 term will take longer than that. To many fights for and against. Politicians may never come to an agreement to even get it started. Still looking for input for legal method to show actual EMS work with real patients. Thanks.

Your right sorry lets get back to topic. My bad.

Yes I was a volly FF/EMS once upon a time. I used to argue citys, towns, countys can't afford EMS. Well I was wrong. Look at the money wasted on various holidays. Look at money spent for city manager or mayor a new car or truck. List could go on and on. Moneys there but why spend it when can get free help.

ask questions? email your prof. To verify presence I have seen some online programs actually post questions every so often that have to be researched answered and sent in.

Yup still cheaper to go accross the border and buy a degree and become dr. Online gets a bad rap. Most classes online are just as good if it comes from reputable school. With online you can cover material more than once. Also many reputable online programs require a lot more research. A lot less distractions. Able to keep regular job. Lots of positives. Negatives must be self motivated. Your alone, limited interaction. Of course reputable online schools still require certain parts be done in person. I personally feel most classes at adult education levels could be done online. Why sit in a crowded lecture hall when I can be comfortable and rewind if I miss something.

Best doc I ever met was DO

It seems my rant distracted from the point. The point is all the stats given in public education are not visual and people forget or do not fully grasp what is being said. The reason FF are able to get public behind them they show dramatic images for emphasis. If we could release some dramatic images showing us saving lives might help public see why they need us at least as much if not more than the fire dept. I can send out fliers, release educational info in the local media, do presentations, etc but if the public sees no actual events they forget or ignore. People need reality to be swayed. Public events are great but again no action it's not real to them. In house photos and videos could be used showing real work would stick far better than shaking hands and talking. Remember a picture is worth a thousand words. Why do we need the rare photos what does the public remember about the FF the rare time one runs out of a burning building with a child or pet in their arms. Thats what we need people to see otherwise they just see taxi with toys. I am not trying to start a fight on this topic, just hoping to find a real way to show the public what we really do.

R/r I agree we all need to be more professional. On an individual basis we all should strive to improve. While it improves some of the image still the public has no idea what we do. Yes there are services and medics you don't want on film. My point is we need to be able to get a positive dramatic image out there like fire does. At this point we can't promote ourselves except with pics of ourselves and our training. Thats not enough to sway the public. The public needs to see the vomit, the blood, etc. They need to see the dramatic, which is rare just like the really good fires are rare. At this point the public perceives us as taxi um ambulance drivers. They need to see what we do. We need a media blitz showing the good gory calls so they see us doing life saving work. At present the comments from the public show they look at EMS as taxi drivers, this part of why they gripe about being billed such high prices for calling. They have not seen our work so they think we just provide a comfortable place to lay down and rest on the way to see the doctor. As far as a film crew why not like fire companys have an it in house. Take some of the best footage and photos and release it to get publicity. Help the public see what they are paying for. The reason I ask the lawyers to get involved what is a legal way this could be done or is there a way?

-100 already been discussed. No offense. http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=8378

No one knows anything about EMS except we must all be scum. Seems the only publicity we get is the bad. For example: http://www.emsresponder.com/article/articl...n=1&id=5429 [web:8376ed32a9]http://www.emsresponder.com/article/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=5429[/web:8376ed32a9] #1 How the hell could someone like this be allowed in EMS or even as a lowly FF. With convictions should be out in the cold. Sorry have no sympathy for child molesters. This is all the publicity we get, the bad, the mistakes. #2 We really need to find ways legally around the big old HIPPO so we can let people see what we do. Telling them does nothing. Why can't we get film out like LE and FF that makes it look like we save lives on every call. People want to see action, drama, blood, and guts or they assume we do nothing. Why do people back FF and LE, it is because they publicly display the most dramatic scenes. They do not just tell people we go put out fires etc, Or we occasionally shoot bad guys, no they get footage out there. In EMS basically all we can do is give stats to the public. You tell me you did cpr means nothing, but if had video in background of us shocking, pumping chest, intubating, lots of drugs and other equipment visible, it becomes real. If it's being done on dummy not going to cut it. For us to be seen as a must have service like, LE and FF, we must find way for the public to see us in action. The public doesn't seem to understand that LE and FF rarely do the things that make the news thats why they have no problem giving money and support. EMS is never seen so we must be doing nothing to benefit, we're just taxi drivers, so why give us money or support. The videos we need out there are usually the futile ones, the ones we will never get back but do the most work so requesting signature authorizing us to use video and photos ain't going to happen. Just today on the news so FF that in my opinion made some bad choices but got some great publicity because they came diving out of burning building. I can almost bet that will be used in some publicity add soon, more money for FF's. Look at the popular movies, the pay per view events, what usually does best is the action packed blood and gore. Just like FF and LE most of our day to day activities suck but we need to be able to show the good ones so people will recognize we exist. When people think of EMS almost all assume that we are FF, yuk, spit. I once was a firemonkey and respect the work done and don't blame them for taking advantage of all the good video to milk the public for all it's worth. We need to find some way to get our rare good calls out in public to. Sorry about the rant. EMS lawyers on here provide some guidance how we could legally do this. Help us find a way to actually let the public see what we do. People need to see us working on real patients, they don't want to read stats.

I never ever heard of it until another discussion a few days mentioned, so curious what it's like.

Beck, Glad they're OK. Hate to see and hear that kids have such tough time. Now on the lighter side have you shared this story and I mean the entire story with him?

OK back on subject any info about online MD schools?

Exactly why work hard just pay a few extra dollars and get the big diploma, then everyone will believe everything you say.

Current EMT training is based on this and MR. BEAN. :oops:

Sounds like it'll be easier and cheaper to go accross the border, buy a degree and license. Then open a wonderful clinic that promises to cure all the uncurable USA patients that have lots of cash. They come pay, die or if lucky live but I don't know how but I'll take credit, no law suits. Ah my dream job. 8) :wink: :roll:

ROFL. You crack me up dust. You know I implement all your suggestions into the protocols, now we'll hand all females a stick and say pee on this. :wink: Might even have the males do it in case had a botched sex change. :? With all the requirements patients are bound to quit calling. The only reason to do BGL every patient is so they can't sleep on the way to the hospital. Thats what I like about our protocols lots of room to think on our own, other than ABC's pretty much we can adjust to each patients needs.

Some minor instructions maybe but not much else. And no I don't think dispatch would ever replace because somebody has to go pick the caller up and take them to lunch.