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I think it is supposed to be "I owe, I owe, so it's off to work I go." I think the dwarfs got the words wrong.

I wonder if the medic thought the EMT was asking which he wanted, as if the EMT hadn't heard him. A quick sentence with what's wrong and what should be given might work. "Do you mean Amiodarone for his vfib?"

Pretty much what spenac said. There is no way you could be the first and if they have ever done it to a medicare/medicaid pt, CMS will want to know. They are making it more and more difficult for us to legitimately/legally collect, they would love to know that there is someone that they don't need to pay anymore.

The Center for Medicare/Medicaid Services. They are the ones that pay the bills and I'm sure you are not the first person this has been done to. They come down pretty severe on billing fraud.

Keep us updated as it goes on. You should see if someone else can go in there with a recorder of some sort and record the interactions. You could also look into filing a complaint with CMS. The govt loves to take our money, but it hates to have money taken away.

Would you think any less of me if I told you I have a scanner app on my iPhone and listen to the freqs from NY? Sometimes when the tones drop for my old VAC, I pretend to use the siren but I follow all traffic laws.

Sorry Dfib. That is worth at least a one month suspension, but with our awesome and wonderful admin here, things go "unnoticed".

Although it seems to be down right now, you might find a better audience at our sister site firefightercity.com

Why don't Santa and Mrs. Clause have kids? He only comes once a year. PS-That might get me banned on any other site.

Kennesaw is an interesting topic. Is no one concerned about the government forcing you to carry a weapon? I don't know how well the statistics from a small, rural Georgia community can be extrapolated to a larger scale. One problem I see, even if all weapons were banned is that they are already out there. You can shut down all of the manufacturers and ban all guns, but the country has been popping them out so quickly over the years that they will still be around for decades to come.

These patients you speak of sound icky. I think I might need some of those valiumzzz if I have to deal with them.

I agree that we need to look at a systemic discussion but with the polar opposites in this country on both sides, we need to take baby steps. Then again, even baby steps might be a problem when certain groups don't believe in compromise. PS-Page 3 and it has been kept civil. The City never lets me down. EDIT: My post made it page 4

What's a patient?

Sorry, I should have provided references. http://www.citizensf...nstitution.html spenac, I never said the writers of the constitution were stupid. In fact it is just the opposite. They were very smart men but they were not psychic. They knew society changes and as such, so should the constitution. This is why they gave us the ability to amend the constitution. They knew that what worked in 1780 might not work 1980, 2280 or 3180, They wanted the people to have the ability to adapt to changes when necessary. They did not want to let us just change things on a whim, which is why they made it so that 3/4 of the states must ratify a proposed amendment in order for it to be added to the constitution. The constitution is such a fluid document that even amendments can be amended, such as the 21st repealing the 18th. EDIT: as others have said, gun control is not the same thing as gun prohibition. Everyone should be able to protect themselves, family and property. There is no need for semi-automatic assault weapons with 100 round magazines. These things are for war, not protection. EDIT#2: Just some more food for thought http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/14/nine-facts-about-guns-and-mass-shootings-in-the-united-states/

Jim Carey, In Living Color.

Whenever this debate pops up, people bring up other objects that can be used as deadly weapons such as the ones Mike mentioned. The difference is these other objects have nonlethal purposes. The only purpose of a gun is to kill, whether it be for hunting, personal protection or a killing spree. One argument that I find laughable in these debates is the one that a person should be able to protect themselves from the government. First, the government can't pull off something as simple as breaking into a hotel room to spy on someone. There is no way they are ever going to be competent enough take control over an entire country. This plan also depends on the members of the military to be conspirators in the whole thing. There is no way you would every get that many soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines to turn against their own countrymen. The final thing, if this take over ever did get successfully organized, the battle was lost years ago. A person's AK-47 or whatever semi-automatic they prefer is no match for tanks, bombers, fighters, submarines, etc. The government had you outgunned decades ago and if they really wanted to kill you, they could have done so already.

http://www.forbes.co...e-a-lot-of-guns Actually Kaisu, when it comes to firearm ownership, the US is tops in the world. We also have the highest homicide rate among most first world countries but we are beaten by the central American countries. I'm not sure why we have such a culture of violence compared to the rest of the world, but would you leave a knife or gun easily accessable to a person with a propensity for violence? I don't know if allowing easy access to a society with a propensity is the best idea either. I'm tired of seeing the senseless violence at work everyday so, yeah, I'll admit I'm cranky and jaded. EDIT: This was a reply to Kaisu, but her post no longer exists but the link is still informative.

I wanted to start a civil discussion among us, those that see this first hand. Please keep it civil or I will ask Admin to close it. The way I see it, there are three prevalent issues in situations like this that can affect the outcome. The first is the security of the site. From what the news is saying, security was pretty high at this school. The mental illness of the shooter is the second. Mental illness is a horrible disease that affects so many people. Despite what certain news channels would have you believe, there is tons of research on the subject but treatment remain elusive. Our mental health system sucks and should be improved, but for many of these people they never make it to the system because there is just not enough to push them there. There are thousands of little signs that, in hindsight, add up to a devestating picture but that cannot be appreciated as they are happening. Often times, the first sign of a mental health problem is when they act out and go on shooting sprees. Do we just lock up anyone we have a concern for mental illness against their wishes? Our laws work against us in this case. There are fluridly manic people walking around all over the place. There is nothing we can do about that. Our laws pretty clearly say that unless someone is a danger to themselves or others, at that specific time, we can not hold them against their will. This does not mean that in an hour, in their mania, they will not become homicidal and go on a shooting spree. Even with a perfect mental health system, we cannot predict who will snap. We are not psychic. It is the same way with chest pain pts. We can admit them for their chest pain and work them up. It does not mean that as soon as they walk out of the door, one of their plaques isn't going to rupture and lead to a STEMI/death. So we have maximized the security and cannot do anything about the mental health issues. That only leaves us the last common thread, the gun. This is the only part of the equation we have any control over. We need to start seriously talking about gun control in a rational manner. It does not mean taking away everyones guns. There are plenty of people that jump on the second amendment. Keep the second amendment in the proper frame. In the 1700s people used their guns for food, protection from parties (Indians, French, British, etc) when the goverment could not provide that protection. They also were dealing with single shot, smoothe barrel, rifles that had the accuracy of a sling shot when they actually fired. The founding fathers were smart guys and knew that times would change. Thomas Jefferson felt that any constitution would be worthless after 19 years and would need to be rewritten by each generation. In the end, we were given the amendment process, which allows a new amendment to overrule a previous amendment. It would be interesting if we could resurect one of the writers and get their impression on our current weapons technology (as well as several other issues). I would guess that they would say, "Hey, it's up to you guys. We dealt with what we had to in our time, you have to deal with your time. That is why we gave you an amendment process."

Until you can bill for a pt that is walked to the ambulance, you will not see them go away.

EDIT: deleted and moved to a new, more appropriate thread

Did you miss the informative part? It was letting those who don't work EMS know that a heavy strecher with a huge patient is even heavier. And now you know.

Something grab a hold of me tightly Flow like a harpoon daily and nightly Will it every stop? Yo I don't

Can anyone else recite Ice Ice Baby from memory? I will admit, I can and damn it, I am proud of it.

Easy Kiwi, he's new here and he may be from NY or NJ. He can only do what is system allows him. Give him a chance.