Just Plain Ruff

Well I put that question of heaven and hell solely on the back of AK. He made me think about it in more robust terms. OK, please do not hammer me on this next thing. I"m actually in a crossroads of my faith as well, not a crisis of faith but merely a qeustioning. Yes the bible specifically says that there is a heaven and a hell. I do believe that but I also know that the bible is a book that was written many many years ago. It was passed down and changed version to version. I know it's consistent in saying what it says over and over and across versions but what I was trying to actually say is to discuss what AK told me once when I asked what the City thought happened after you died. AK said that he just would cease to exist. No heaven, no hell. No purgatory. The bible makes heaven sound awesome and I do hope that there is a heaven but the bible also says that there is a hell and it's truly a bad place. But these are words written over thousands of years and at times those words can be changed or their meanings changed. No-one knows that there is a heaven or a hell, we only know that the bible which is the word of God per the religious and religious scholars says that there is a heaven and hell. No-one has been there, no one has come back and told me or anyone else that they have been to heaven or hell and they are real. I only can go by what is written in the book called the bible and since i believe that the bible is Gods word then I must believe that there is a heaven and hell but until I get to either one of them or just cease to exist, then I nor anyone else truly knows, be they either Atheist, agnostic or Christian.

But those in college are doing it for 4 years these days. That's what the OWS movement is partly about. Getting a harvard education to flip burgers or lay brick. Why shouldn't college be free?

So MoMedic, what part of Missouri might you live in as you described my old stomping grounds to a T.

Ak, I do not thank him for all that goes well. Others may but I do not. Most of what I've done in my life have been because of me, not anyone else. I'm sure you will try to drive a truck through that comment as well since you've done your best to do that in the past with me. But my achievements are mine alone, do I thank God for every little thing that goes right, I don't think so. do I curse god for every little thing that goes wrong, nope, I don't.

Yes, there is such a thing as personal responsibility and taking responsibility for your actions. You have the will to do anything you want in life, turn to crime, your choice, turn to god, your choice. But my belief is that God gave me free will and I act on that free will every day. If something bad happens to me, I don't say "Curse you God, you did this to me" Nope, I say "I know not to make that mistake again" Let me let you in on a little personal experience. My wife when pregnant with our "son" William the pregnancy was a rocky one. From no heartbeat at 6 weeks gestation and the OB doc then wanting to do a D&C on Jenny. Jennifer requested a 2nd ultrasound 1 week later and after the asshole doctor agreed we went to the ultrasound. At that ultrasound there was a heartbeat. Little light blipping on the screen of the Ultrasound monitor. There was also a small blood clot on the placenta.(ominous sign but we went with the flow though). For the next 10 weeks we watched this little life grow inside my wife until my wife felt a funny feeling in her stomach. We called the new OB doc's (high risk perinatologists at a top notch hospital in KC MO). They had been her doctor for about 8 weeks and they scheduled the ultrasound that eventually was when we found out that our child had died in utero. We scheduled a delivery for three days hence. Jennifer went through this with all the emotions you can expect. I was the stoic one of course. I've seen death, I've seen life, you know, the works. Jennifer delivered a 17 week gestation baby boy. He was formed perfectly but just dead. I'm a religious guy, many on here will attest to that. I did not blame god even though many people in my church asked me if I did. I know that death happens, I know that there are just some things that are not to be. Is that God's fault, no. Is it mine, no it isn't. But what I did ask God was why. I know I would not get an answer. I didn't expect one. My wife did not either. There are just some things not meant to be. Do I blame God for that or anything else that befalls me, no I don't. It's not the way that I believe and not the way I look to religion. do I believe that the baby is in heaven waiting for me? I'm not sure. I think so but since I don't know what happens after we die, if we just cease to exist like some of my atheist friends believe, or is there a definate place called heaven and hell? I don't know. I do know what it says in the bible, and it says there is heaven and hell. I believe the book but until I make it to either place or just cease to exist I have to be skeptical. I hope that there is a heaven but it cannot be proven to me other than what a book says so I remain a skeptic.

This is what my company gave me as a sign on bonus. It was awesome. http://robbreport.com/Fashion/21-Ultimate-Gifts-Fit-for-a-Gentleman

Actually Karger seems like a nice enough guy but I have absolutely no delusions that a gay candidate has any chance of being elected the president. The country isn't going to elect a gay man president. I would have no issue with voting for him if I had enough info on him but there are too many people out there who will vote for the other guy instead of voting for the gay guy. Of course, others may not agree with my assessment but I don't think he stands a snowballs' chance in hell. But maybe he might get some people to change their minds, who knows. I think that contributing to his campaign is like flushing good money down the toilet.

last name ruff work in ems had this user name since 1992 on various forums and sites.

But the thing is that most criminals who would steal this probably have a better idea of what these meds do than some medics coming out of school.

Nope. It was a post on a professional forum that went out to several thousand people.

I know that Andrea Bocelli has sung it before as I listened to him sing it in Atlanta at a concert. He was pretty good. I don't consider him to be stellar but he was pretty darn good.

That makes me think there was at least one drip going and an IV. What that drip was, no-one is certain. Let's be glad this patient tolerated the transport well. I think the crew and the hospital (originating) dodged a HUGE HUGE bullet here. No matter that they signed out AMA. Were they informed of the ramifications of their signing out AMA in the middle of the night? Were they informed that the ceasing of the medications could put them at risk? Were they told that the transport from here to there was risky in the best of times? What did the AMA form show for risks and benefits of AMA'ing? I'd be curious to know what was written.

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Actually that's not completely true Doc. Even though the republicans are pickiing a candidate for president doesn't make the crap 1/2 time. The dems and their supporters are hard at work crafting the next attack ad to go against the republicans. Let's also not forget the congressional and local elections which are happening in 2012 as well. I do agree that the media is just nucking futts in it's analysis. Cain is the front runner, no romney is, no now Newt is, no wait, Ruffems is, no wait it's really Bachman. It's all relative to the day and the time. I have gotten to the point during elections that I don't watch local network television becuase every other commercial is an attack ad. I spent one night about 10 days before the 2010 elections and watched ABC network television. Of the 100 or so commercials that I watched when I wasn't taking a dump, about 45 or so of them were local politicians, or national political ads. Sometimes one candidates ad followed the opponents ad so I got both views of the same story. They say that this upcoming election will be the first billion dollar election. A BILLION dollars to elect an idiot or the lesser of two evils which any more is what you have to choose from. Who's going to fuck up this country less than the other. In the end, your vote really doesn't count in the overall scheme of things other than to tell the winner who doesn't like him and who he/she doesn't have to try to keep happy. I distrust politicians immensely and consider the entire industry corrupt and think we need a King and Queen instead of a president and congress. Maybe the monarchy's have it right? just waxing philosophically. But remember if you don't vote, you cannot fricking complain about whoever wins.

that was just my point, not on the partners but on the divorce rate. Since Gay marriage is still so new the divorce rates haven't had a chance to equal out or actually even be nationally tracked. 55% of marrages end in divorce, I'm suspecting that after 10 years of gay marriage that number will be similar What I meant to say on the partners part is that several of the gay people I know have had multiple partners while in a relationship with someone else. I have one lesbian friend who was in a marriage with her "life partner" all the while seeing several other women at the same time. The life partner found out and she's now without a life partner. That seems to be the trend with the gays I know, I'm sure it's not the norm but these are highly educated and paid professional women/men and I'm not sure of their reasoning behind having the multiple partners. Is it because they are not married that the commitment isn't there? Probably not since some of my married friends also have had multiple partners while married. But I do see more partners in my gay friends than in my hetero friends. Not saying it's the norm but it's my experience.

The issue I see with Gay marriage is that for every one of my gay friends, they have had multiple multiple gay partners. 2 of my couple friends have already broken up with their soulmates and found other ones. All of them are still my friends. For the couples who I know who did get married legally, none of them are still together. I expect the divorce rate to be higher in gay couples but I'm not sure since gay marriage is such a new thing.

NCIS for the win. I also had the hots for Kate when she was on. Lauren Holly is pretty nice too. Abby is hot in a Goth hotness sense. But Ziva is my top choice to be my date of the century unless Catherine Bell comes through. I did find a soft core video of Catherine Bell in a very unknown movie which just made her my top choice of all time.

Hey Herbie, I for one never said I condoned the marriage of gays, just that I really don't see it affecting me. My religious book, the bible, says marriage is between a man and a woman. I've been told over and over that if it's in the bible then it's the law but I don't believe that part. Just because religions say it's not right and against the law of nature or whatever crap that they say, I say that if it doesn't affect me then I'm not going to go all postal out there and take a NO NO NO attitude. I have at least 5 gay friends who have steady partners. Each couple lives together, they go out to dinner as a couple and they work and live as a couple. They consider themselves married but the law in missouri at this time does not consider them married. As a matter of fact two of those couples actually got married in a church (not binding of course in missouri) by a gay pastor. To them in the eyes of God they are married but not in the eyes of the state. I say more power to them. Sort of the argument to make prostitution legal. I've never been to a prostitute, I've never paid for sex (except on really expensive dates) so making prostitution legal or illegal affects me HOW? I don't see it affecting my life in any way shape or sort. I do not agree with gays getting married but I'm not going to make a big deal out of it and say they cannot because it does not affect my life one iota. OK so I'm going to play Crotchity here for a moment or flaming for a moment You people who are against gay marriage are racists and gay baiters. You should be ashamed of yourselves and need to just DIE DIE DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ER Doc you didn't write it but I'll be you have some idea of what computer system the guy was talking about don't ya!!!!!!!!

Here is a link. It shows that Nigeria has passed a law banning same sex marriages even with a threat from Britain that if they did Britain would withhold aid. http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/30/world/africa/africa-gay-rights/?hpt=wo_c2 Big brother pushing their agenda's on countries accepting their aid is nothing new but I applaud Nigeria for going against Britain. Not that they are anti gay marriage because my views are clear above, but that they won't cow down to pressure from another country to force them to shape their laws in their own country. I wonder whether if the tables were turned and Nigeria was giving the aid and they said "you don't get the money if you pass a law saying Gay marriage is legal in your country" What would Britain do?

The gay marriage issue is nearly completely a religious issue. The religious will say it's against God's word in the bible. Well in the bible marriage has always been said to be between an man and a woman. But that's not what I'm arguing. The biggest issue I think is that traditionally up until 20 years or so ago (my timeline may be off a bit) we didn't have men/men and women/women living openly together. Sure it happened before then but it became more socially acceptable to do so in many places than it was prior to that period of time. So the married people got up in arms thinking that the gays were going to take over their commonly held belief that marriage was between a man and woman. They felt that gay marraige would destroy the "pristine" institution of marraige. Being that most marriages are performed in a church and churches (most) will not marry gays then that is why gay marriage is having such a hard time gaining traction up until the last 5 years. I for one DO NOT GIVE A RATS ASS who gets married to who(with limits of course). If two men or two women want to get married so be it, I can tell you that it does nothing to detract or cheapens my marriage. Do two men getting married in New York affect my rights as a husband and my wifes rights in our marriage? NO. So people need to just settle the hell down. I do welcome gay marriage for at least this reason. There were certain hospitals out there that would not let the gay partner of a patient into the room with the patient. They said family only. Now those hospitals have to get out of the dark ages and allow these partners/husbands/wives into the room. That's just one reason. I have much more to say on this issue but I'm trying to get ready for work which I really don't want to go in right now.