Just Plain Ruff

You covering your eyes, can't see it.

Great info and much I did not know. Do you have a specific book that you got this from or is it just from your past experiences and education? I also do know that the declaration is not law. Never meant to infer it to be law, I was just pointing out the God/Deity words. I was assuming they meant the christian god but who knows, maybe they did maybe they didn't. I'm gonna go look up Jeffersons drafts. I actually had an opportuinity a long long time ago to purchase a set of Jefferson's complete papers collection. I should have done that. It would have made a very nice addition to my library.

Cool, I was actually going to the treaty of tripoli next. That's informative in the least. Again, lots' t to think about, some things you've said make a LOT of sense yet others to me do not. But that's my job to decide which makes more sense. Have we moved this personal topic far enough, are we ready to end it? I actually am. How bout you? I am at the Barton website. What particularly do you dislike about his views. I don't have the time nor the energy to sift through all the rhetoric that I KNOW he will have. I do know that I already don't like his picture. But then again, what viewpoints of his do you think I should focus on to get a overview of what he thinks? You obviously have a real issue with him and since I've never heard of him I don't have the common frame of reference on him that you do.

I applaud you for your desire to run and change the world, starting with your small area of influence and branching out. Let me ask you this, in all honesty, do you think that you will be successful? I hope you are successful but I think it will be a very difficult time for you to succeed based on religion being so important to voters. I do wish you success though. Maybe you are what's needed. So to the text of the declaration here is the first paragraph "When, in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation" I see two things, first is the assumption of powers of the earth by whcih the laws of nature and Nature's God entitle them. Who is nature's God? Second paragraph "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." So who is the creator? Who are they referring to? Another paragraph(part of) "with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor." Who's divine providence? Who are they talking about? Who is the creator and who's divine providence. The constitution: I don't see really a single reference to God in that document. Granted I did not read it fully and all the way through but what I did read, I didn't see anything about God there. So it seems to me that God was on the minds of the framers of the Declaration yet not on the minds of the framers of the constitution. Wierd since many of the same men who signed the Declaration also were a part of the forming of the constitution and it's framework and behind the scenes work.

Fair enough. I am all for the division of religion from politics. But I see a big problem with the attempting to cut religion from Politics. It can't and more than likely will not be done. It's too ingrained in our history. The voting public(the majority) expect to have some statement of faith by the candidates. I don't see that going away any time soon, do you? How do you proposed to make that happen. I can also see no religion in public schools but do you see anything wrong with a small group of students using a school classroom after hours in school for meeting to discuss like minded ideas like religion or sports or whatnot? If the group of students rents out the space would that make it ok for them to hold a religious group in the school classroom where that might be the only place that they can all come together? I don't see an issue with it as long as every group that meets in a school has to pay the same amount. I know that's not often done though. I'm just having a hard time wrapping my finger around how to remove religion from public(politics and tax supported) life. I do see where you are coming from though and I think it is unfortunate that that's where we are as a society.

Ok, your rephrasing of the questions made more sense to me and the answer to both is yes. I didn't think I was putting words in your mouth but maybe when I said public life I meant the public life of lets say politics and schools and that area. Not personal public life. I don't remember the documents you sent my way, was it in a post or a pm? I also do not know who David Barton is so I can't say I have a common frame of reference on him. I'll look up mr barton, curious to see what he has to say. You are more than welcome to put up your Freethinkers sign or atheist sign. I have no issue with this. You are more than welcome to burn the cross or spout hate speech like the Westboro baptist church does. You are more than welcome to burn anything in effigy that you wish to. That's free speech no matter how much I don't like it you are welcome to do it because thats protected speech. But like you said, I am also welcome to putting a cross on my lawn or a religious display in the yard.

1. Do you believe you have a higher truth I have yet to discover? 2. By having a higher truth which I do not possess, does this not make one superior to another? Does it not place one in a position to judge? Number 1 - Nope - you have already studied and known God and you decided that there were too many questions and missing links to put your faith in him. I may not be there yet, but you have definately given me something to think about. And believe me I am. But I have to rectify my faith and your truth. Tough to do. And Number 2 is a moot point because I don't believe that I have a higher truth that you have yet to discover. And a return question to you. How do you plan on making government and public/political society a secular society when faith is so integrally intermingled within it? How do you plan on removing God or any religion from public life? I honestly think it will be impossible to do. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on that matter.

Nice response for your first post. Concise and to the point. WElcome to the city.

My father had a tick borne illness. Can't remember the right disease/illness but that's a good one. What about pernicious anemia versus the other anemia's?

Well welcome back Don, good to see you again. Are you goign to do that recipe book again this year?

And let's not forget Ebola and marburg viruses. Swine flu, bird flu, skin necrotizing mrsa, VRSA, VRE and many others. Bed sores that we get no training on, long term vent patients, post cath patients and many many others. AICD's and magnets and all that stuff. Don't get any of that stuff in the books do ya? So where do you go to get education on that stuff? A good refresher only scratches the surface. Medpub is a great resource. New England Journal of Medicine and JAMA are also good places to go. Expensive subscription but you will get stuff you normally don't get anywhere else. Good luck

That's a good choice Rid The other could be the ear infection which migrates to meningitis. Had two patients present the exact same way over a period of about 30 days. One patient with meningitis and the other with a subarachnoid bleed. Same exact symptoms and history but one survived and one did not.

i'm thinking the PE route as well. but on a more personal note: DAMNIT LONE, You will not fail, I know you and I know that you will make sure that doesn't happen. Remember, you have friends here on this site that want nothing more than to see you succeed and get that gold crown called a medic license. If you need help I'm sure there are ton's of people here, myself included that would welcome a phone call from you to help you out. Or just to listen to you bitch and moan(ya girlie man). When you need help, reach out. make a phone call.

They did implement more stringent procedures but the air ambulance industry believes that they can police and regulate itself so most of the suggestions given by the NTSB have not been implemented in my understanding. One of my best friends is a flight medic and he said that some of the suggestions were just too expensive to implement and some were just not considered feasible. Every time I see a helicopter flying over my house or wherever I'm at I wish them well and say a little prayer to get them to their destination safe. I trust in the maintenance and skill of the pilot and the mechanic as well. I also wonder whether that particular flight that is going over my head is an appropriate flight or not. Could that patient have gone by ground or did they absolutely need to go by air.

I'm up for that. AK and I can take this to PM's if he wants to. OR we can let it die an ugly death.

A face mask that is used for protection placed over the mouth and nose and then a couple of alcohol swabs placed in the corners worked well for me. Vicks works, as does any of those knock off products or similar ones. Put some cherry chapstick on and then put themask on. But remember, after a while your nose gets used to the smell and it ends up not being so bad unless of course you are working with decomp, nothing get's rid of that smell After the call - take some tap water, then put a couple of drops of rose petal essence in the water. mix it up. Then take a few drops and sniff into the nose. or better yet use a nose spray bottle and put the mixture in it. Spray into the nose both sides. What happens with these smells and why they linger in your nose so long is that they coat the nose hairs and small hairs in side the nasal passagways. When you use the spray or sniff the mixture, it sort of washes away the odor molecules and cleans the nose hairs/small hairs. I learned this from a very well known (nationally known) coroner when I went to hear him speak at a conference.

Hmmm well I one time sat next to a satanist. He actually had the tattoo 666 on his hand. I can't answer how I'd feel as to that person sitting next to me in a cubicle every day but I'll probably be feeling just the same as an outspoken atheist sitting next to me in the office. Both are not my cup of tea but I'm different than many here, I would be uncomfortable but since we live in a world of choices, it's your choice to be an atheist, or an agnostic. Your choice to be a christian or a devil worshipper. I won't like I tell you but it's not illegal and not in my purveyance to say they cant work where I work. I can tell you that I probably would have some pretty good and heated arguments and discussions. Would I find a different place to work? Who knows, maybe maybe not. I've never been in that position with the 666 thing. You can also were whatever form of jewelry that identifies you as to what ever you believe in. I can't regulate that and I won't regulate it. I do hope you are wrong in what you believe. I'm not saying that in a superiority complex, I'm just saying that from my standpoint you are wrong in your beliefs of NO god and I hope that you are wrong in your beliefs but I'm not about to force you to choose between God or Allah or Jehovah or Germaine the potter or whatever religion I follow. I'm not here to convert you. Yet you believe that my beliefs have no basis in fact and does that not come back to you believing that you are superior than I am for my beliefs. You do indeed ridicule them, you have admitted to doing that in a previous post on this thread so doesn't that make you fall into some sort of superiority complex as well? I think that your comment about politicians or public figures who profess no faith being ostracized, I think that goes way back to the beginnings of the country. Church was usually the meeting place of the entire community. Schools were usually held in the church building. The community really revolved around the church building. Most activities were held at the church or within the sight of the church. Many politicians went in front of church congregations to stump so to speak. So after many many years of this activity and then moving into the age where it was possible to meet a larger audience via the television or radio, the underlying involvement of the church stayed right there. IF you professed no faith, those who vote would wonder what you really believed in. I think that with the president so visible in american life and many predecessors of the current president that actively went to church that it's going to take a major shift in our society to relegate religion to the back burner in politics and public life. If you don't go to church as a elected official, what's wrong with you?(that is the perception and is what is seen by the voting public). If you want to get elected, I do care about your faith but I'm more interested in how you will vote on a particular issue such as unemployment, jobs creation, road construction, abortion, and many other issues. I know that as a christian I abhor abortion because it's the killing of a baby and for all of you who know me, we've had some really intense pregnancies up to and including losing a baby at 17 weeks so those who take the life of a baby, I don't look at it on a religious ground, I look at it as the killing of a baby. I vote the issues not the religious phrases at the time. Not my style. So how can a secular government satisfy the fairness requirement for all the religions that you wish it to? One religion will take offense over some perceived slight, now do not go directly to accuse christians as the ones who will do this, others will as well and Atheists are pretty vocal if they don't like what's happening, you said it yourself so maybe Atheists will be the first to complain. I do not know. You can't be all to everyone, it just cannot be done. I do agree that religion should be kept out of politics, government and I do NOT believe that you need to be forced or perceived to be forced by christianity to do certain things, that's not right in the least. So I will agree to the secular government portion of your argument. But I think it's going to be a very very long time and a very steep hill that must be climbed to reach what you are wanting. Sort of the everest of goals.

In the area I used to work at, unless hospice called the ambulance the call would not be paid for by insurance or medicare. I think that if the patient is on hospice then it's hospice's ball game. I wouldn't be worried about the insurance rigamarole but ERDoc is absolutely correct. The patient might care which of course plays directly into my level of caring. IF the paitent wants to go to the ER then there it is, that's just what happens. I have in my history, made several hospice nurses angry. But Eydawn also is correct, Hospice usually works this stuff out. I do disagree to a point about emergent care. This might sound callous and negative but to get on hospice you have to be in the final stages of dying right? I only use my grandfather as my personal experience. We went with hospice when he was about 3 weeks away from passing. He had several illnesses that hospice treated in the hospice hospital yet would have been transported without hospice being in the mix. So if they code, are we going to work them? If they have a heart attack, do you treat that? They are already dying, isn't by providing advanced cardiac treatment, is that ethical or morally right to do? I am just putting this out as a alternate viewpoint based on how we treated my grandfather in his last days. If the patient wants to go to the ER and get treated, that's one thing but to take them in because a family member wants them to go (been there transported that), is that right?

That's exactly what I am doing in 2012. Each opponent in 2012 gets my vote, be they libertarian, democrat, republican or tea party. Every one of those so called "people with the best interests of their constituents" do not get my vote. Screw em. So let me ask a question. Who creates jobs in the USA? Is it the poor white or black man barely making ends meet or is it the corporations and the rich?? I am all for fairness in taxation, but seriously, if you took all the money from the top richest people in america, I mean ALL THEIR MONEY, you would not have enough money to cover the debt payments for 3 months. If you start to tax the corporations at 55% that some people have promoted or even higher, then what do you think those companies will do???? They will leave our country and go overseas, which they are already doing? I have no answers, well I have a few but those answers will never be looked at by anyone in city, county, state or federal government. I know that if we tax Big oil out of business in america, if we tax the automakers, the pharmaceutical companies and many of the other EVIL Companies(corporations) in America and "make them pay their fair share" that they will leave the USA and the jobs will go as well. If you think that we have a high unemployment number today just "Screw" those companies enough and let's take a look at the unemployment numbers then. There are no easy answers, but we have to realize that $1.00 and $1.00 is 2 dollars and if we (the government) cannot pay that 2 dollars that we don't at this time in our financial situation go borrow the money to pay the 2 dollars. We don't just print money thinking that if we throw more money at the problem, it will go away. If there are other answers out there, I'd love to hear them. By the way, Standard and Poor's downgraded hurricane Katia from a category 4 to a category 1 with a AA Debt rating thrown in for good measure.

Well see there we go again, there is no way I can convince you that your reality is wrong and there is no way for you to convince me that my reality is wrong. We are at what we call an impasse. For your sake, I hope you are wrong. I'd hate to see AK roasting like a marshmallow in hell but remember, I've never once pushed my christian views upon you and I won't begin to start today. That's not what I want to do. I'd love to see you on my side of the argument but that won't happen so all I can do is hope you are wrong. Let me ask you this one question. You are all for removing all forms of religion from all segments of public life, I get that. But doesn't that make you as bad as organized religion? OR doesn't it make your arguments of a completely secular society as stifling as the religious argument that we need God in our lives? If you say that I as a Christian cannot openly show my faith nor can I do it in public then doesn't that make you as unbending as you accuse christians of being. To me those who promote a secular society and want to push religion out of society are as narrow minded as those who push religion upon those who do not want it pushed upon them. I'm sure you have some sort of reasoning why Christianity should be relegated to the church buildings and the home. So care to share why by pushing a secular society on those who don't want it pushed makes it right in your eyes.