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I'll reserve judgment until the full details are disclosed; however, where the hell was the backer?

I simply do not understand what’s wrong with cops these days. What a shame.

LOL. Yeah, why is it always a fire dept.?

Noted.

...and round n’ round we go…… Well, I have to agree you—imagine that! That is a pretty ignorant statement. Only one problem: You need to read things more carefully so that you don’t make incorrect assumptions. I never stated it was the “best” way; I simply stated that the reason we do things here, and many other places, is because it “works”. Is it the best way? Maybe, maybe not, but I never said it was. Anyway, Dusty, (you don’t mind I call you that, do you?) I’ve had fun firing you up—that’s what keeps these threads interesting! One thing I’m sure we can both agree on is that this system has been in effect for a very, very long time. And from what I can tell, it works pretty well: that is to say working your way up in steps. Having said that, I’m going to break away from this subject—for real this time, but you may have the last word (you sound like the kind of person that likes to/needs to anyhow).

OK, Dustdevil, let me clarify a few points. First, you are right, most programs don't include the intermediate level; however, I never implied that every program does in those particular steps. That's ridiculous. But I'm going to redirect this thread to my initial point. The context of my threads - and my point for that matter - is that most programs don't jump from basic to paramedic; instead, they progress through a series of steps to achieve the highest title. And again my question is, why? For example, in countries like Canada and South Africa, the different levels are distinguished by the terms primary or basic (e.g. Primary Care Paramedic) intermediate, or advanced (e.g. Advanced Care Paramedic). The United Kingdom also has similar classifications. So, having said that, I again say that most places (and yes, the places I mentioned are not most places, only a few examples few examples, but I think you get my point) go through a process to achieve the highest level because it works. If it didn't then why would it be the standard model for most places? Oh yea, we continue to do it just because... . Really? You're going to stick with that? On a different note, you state that everyone is "blindly following our lead"; however, I ask, why would everyone else want to follow our model when many have a far more advanced model than ours? So much so, in fact, that paramedics in both the U.K. and some Canadian provinces, for example, have been granted the legal status of self-regulated health professions. What is the possibility of that ever happening here? Perhaps we should blindly follow in their foot steps. Lastly, I want to bring up one more thing you stated in your last post. You mentioned there is no "theoretical soundness" to a process that has been in play for a long time; but is there any theoretical soundness that this process doesn't work?

I wasn't going to respond to this thread anymore than what I already have, but I agree with you. It's interesting to note, that the majority of the most respected paramedic programs across the world (including many of our own programs) design the entire process in parts (EMT-B, EMT-I and EMT-P). I wonder why? I know these classifications primarily exist in the United States, but you get my point.

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So, paramedic and EMT are soo "drastically different", it would make it impossible to render a determination to continue on this field or not? Huh...interesting. Oh, and engineering and carpentry? I'm pretty sure paramedic and EMT have more in common and are much closer related than engineering and carpentry. But, don't worry, I think I understand what you're trying to say; apples and oranges, right? Now, that's sounds illogical. At any rate, as one of the previous posts stated, this is a topic that's been beat to death several times over, so with that said: Over and out.

I whole heartedly disagree with absolutely no experience. Giving yourself some time as an EMT-B will give you a better idea if EMT-P is really what you want. I've met many people, who after acquiring their EMT-B, decided this field was not for them. Granted, most people entering this line of work are pretty sure they're in it for good; however, getting that preliminary experience as a basic is smart. Give yourself the time, I say, and move on gradually -no need to rush. This may not be the case for everyone, but I'm sure there are good reasons as to why most places require you to do it in steps (EMT-B, EMT-I [some places] and EMT-P). If at all possible, give yourself the time to learn, and saturate your neurons with as much as you can. Take it slow, I'm sure you'll be glad you did in the long run. Good luck.

LMAO! Sorry, it may not be that funny for some, but when my girlfriend and I read it (maybe because the way we readi it) it came off pretty hilarious. We just Imagined your partner whistling away driving, while you're in the back blowing someone. HAHA...the whole vision just cracks me up. OK, I'm over it... No I'm not. HAHAHAHA.

I don't mean to play devil's advocate, but two separate incidents from two separate people accusing the same guy? I know the stories sound preposterous, and I'm glad the guy can move on with his life; but no one even suspects a little? Maybe not to the extent of giving a homeless man a BJ, but I'm willing to bet something may have happened; but because it's the word of a paramedic against a drugy and a homeless...well, we all know what I mean. OK, let me have it.

I'm not sure why someone would want to exhibit such an image for public view. Anyone have any ideas? Is it to show off? Sick, twisted, and abnormal. What a disgrace.

Jeepluv, I must recant my original question; I misread it. I thought you had stated the patient was pulseless and "apneic", but I later realized you stated pulseless and "agonal". Sorry about that. And for clarification purposes: Only patients who are pulseless and apneic with evisceration of the brain are considered to be obviously dead in my county.

In response to Jeepluv77's post: Why would a traumatic arrest patient with brain evisceration (gray matter, as you stated) even be worked, or brought in to the ER by the pre-hospital team for that matter? I'm not calling you out, simply curious. In my county that falls under obvious signs of death, and we do not attempt resuscitative measures.