Lone Star

it lifts and separates!

Obviously, someone missed the humor in the above exchange......

STOP OR MY MOM WILL SHOOT! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOHgo1bX7E8

Unless that Deputy is an equal or higher medical license than those of the 'posessing crew/service', the Deputy has NOTHING to say. Patient contact had been made, treatments initiated and transportation had been initiated. If the attending/possesing crew' didnt have actual consent to treat/transport; it's safe to say that they had 'implied consent' and were well within their boundaries to treat and transport. There was nothing mentioned about improper care in the story (that I caught at least), so therefore we can presume that the 'possessing service' wasn't being negligent or abusive in this situation. Since there was at least 'implied consent' to treat/transport, there is no grounds for a kidnapping charge. Since there's no kidnapping or abuse charge, the second medic is out of 'grounds' to try to force a transfer of care, and the Deputy (wife or not). has NO GROUNDS to get involved, other than to tell her husband to stop acting like a complete ass and let the 'crew/service in possession' do their job!

I would have thought that we've moved far enough away from the 'Mother, Jugs and Speed' days that this wouldn't be happening. Once the patient contact was made, the other service had no say in the treatment of the patient. Since the deputy was the wife of the second paramedic, she should have stepped back and allowed the service with the patient already loaded take the patient.

exsanguinations

Congratulations on passing and getting your degree! Now maybe you'll have time to answer email and PM's

The Model 27 S&W (Highway Patrolman) and the Model 28 (Trooper) are both great revolvers. I've also carried the Colt Lawman Mark III. Currently, I possess a concealed pistol license and carry a 9x18 Makarov or an XD40 (Springfield Armory) .40 caliber pistol. [align=center:1c488918bf]I don’t carry a gun…[/align:1c488918bf] … to kill people. I carry a gun to keep from being killed. I don’t carry a gun to scare people. I carry a gun because sometimes this world can be a scary place. I don’t carry a gun because I’m paranoid. I carry a gun because there are real threats in the world. I don’t carry a gun because I’m evil. I carry a gun because I have lived long enough to see the evil in the world. I don’t carry a gun because I hate the government. I carry a gun because I understand the limitations of government. I don’t carry a gun because I’m angry. I carry a gun so that I don’t have to spend the rest of my life hating myself for failing to be prepared. I don’t carry a gun because my sex organs are too small. I carry a gun because I want to continue to use those sex organs for the purpose for which they were intended for a good long time to come. I don’t carry a gun because I want to shoot someone. I carry a gun because I want to die at a ripe old age in my bed, and not on a sidewalk somewhere tomorrow afternoon. I don’t carry a gun because I’m a cowboy. I carry a gun because, when I die and go to heaven, I want to be a cowboy. I don’t carry a gun to make me feel like a man. I carry a gun because men know how to take care of themselves and the ones they love. I don’t carry a gun because I feel inadequate. I carry a gun because unarmed and facing three armed thugs, I am inadequate. I don’t carry a gun because I love it. I carry a gun because I love life and the people who make it meaningful to me.

She could body press me, and not even grunt while doing it!

After the recent sugar refinery explosion (02/07/08 ) here in the Savannah, GA area, there was a bunch of blood drives that took place. Needless to say, I participated by giving a pint. I figured it was a small 'price' to pay, in order to be able to help out. (the authorities wouldnt let me into he plant, so working triage, ems or with fire was out) Anyway, after my donation, the workers of the bloodmobile would actually get you a glass of soda, and you had to lay there and drink most (if not all) of it before they would let you get up and move to the 'canteen' area or leave. What I thought was funny is listening to all these big burly 'tough guy' types whimper and dig for excuses not to have to give a pint. Most common 'excuse' was the 'fear of needles'... When they'd get teased about the 'big tough guy is afraid of a tiny little poke'...some would try to 'man up' and get as far as the point where the phlebotomist was about to insert the cath and start the draw...came the funniest part, where we could watch these guys layin there whimpering like a beat puppy.....

"Pint" and "Quart" are metric? Since when?

I completely disagree with this type of 'interview process' as well as the 'coffee klatch' interview. Neither represent the company in a good light. The 'round table interview' is complete bull! The other employees have no say in whether a new person gets hired or not. Never have I applied to a company in order to: Join a social club Meet new 'beer drinkin buddies' Become a member of the 'Good Ol' Boy Network Round out the 'little black book' There is no room for the 'hugs and kisses, happy faces and belly rubs' in the REAL 'professional environment'! If you're in a position to hire people, and use these 'techniques'; then I think you need to go hug your trees and eat your grass some place else, because in the 'real world', you need to figure out that those with the best training and experience usually make for the better employee. More education and more experience means better patient care, beter patient care means word of mouth advertising, and that could be potential new/increased business.

My contention throughout this has been for the infection of the patient, not whether an EMT that has been injured in the past should remain in the field. Logically, if you had an 'exposure incident' (even if the risk of becoming infected by a patient is at 0.005%), you would more than likely get 'checked out, just to be sure'..correct? I know I would! But if that 0.005% risk is enough to get you checked out, for your own safety and well being.....wouldn't it stand to reason that the patient would also like that option as well? After all, the risk is the same for the patient that it is for you. That being said, now you can see why I asked the question about where to draw the line between 'acceptable risk' and that risk that is deemed 'unacceptable'. The risk of infection is still 0.005% in either direction (patient to EMT or EMT to patient) (*DISCLAIMER* THE RISK PERCENTAGE IS ONLY A NUMBER I'VE PULLED OUT OF THIN AIR, NOT BASED ON ANY SCIENTIFFIC DATA) Never have I included things like influenza, the common cold, hangnails, or broken bones. Again, there is nothing in MY past medical history that would include me in the same group as an EMT with HIV/AIDS, Hepatitis (A,B, or C), TB, MRSA/VRSA.

Dwyane, my friend, you know me better than that! I do not 'stick to the easy questions'....I'm probably one of the more 'outspoken' ones here (not to be confused with the ONLY outspoken one).... The injuries I have dealt with in the past do NOT include anything that I could pass along to any patient of mine, and while, yes its true that I am probably at a greater risk of being injured again; the bones I've broken shouldnt affect either my patient care or my job performance. So, no, I do not fit the 'criteria' that I've used to base my opinion on for this thread. I will however, turn in my stethescope and take my certificates down off the wall the day that I feel I can no longer perform the duties required of me in either the EMS field or the field of Firefighting. IF in the event that I should contract some infectious disease, as we've covered here, then I would be more than willing to end my career in both the Fire service and EMS as a 'self imposed "precaution"' to insure that there is no way that any of my patients would have to deal with it. I'm not sure what information about my past medical history you're basing this question on, but I would be more than willing to discuss it with you, either in PM, or in a thread.

It's society's nature to go to the knee jerk reactions, easy questions and not deal with the 'tough stuff', because it will be dealt with by someone else......

boneknuckleskin, I'm going to ask you the same question that I've asked everyone else taking part in this thread....where do you draw the line between 'acceptable risk' and unacceptable risk'? Is the risk only acceptable because its a patient's life we're talking about? Would the same 'its only a minor risk' mentality be as prevalent if it were you as the patient?

I would tend to agree, but the friend in question thinks that the person is alive and has excellent self control......

Wow! That made it about as clear as mud! I don't know if you watched the video that was in the first post on this thread, If not, I suggest you view it (if nothing more than for a great laugh) I've tried to explain that even in a dead body, this 'movement' is possible by supplying electrical current (as from a TENS unit). The person I'm trying to explain this to insists that the body on the table isn't a corpse, but an actual live person.... This is where the docs (and othe posters come in). I've used Luigi Galvani's experiments on dead frogs to help explain this phenomenon, but I still can't convince my friend that it IS possible to elicit involuntary movement in 'dead people', but so far am unable to explain this well enough to prove my point..... One question raised is "How long after death is this phenomenon possible? I know that in my junior high school biology class, a frog taken from a jar of formaldehyde was used to demonstrate this, so I know it's possible several months after death (at least in the case of the frogs).....

Thanks Richard, but thats not the part that needs to be explained....lol The part his person is having 'problems' with is the fact that the 'cadaver' in this video actually moved. As near as I can tell, something along the lines of a TENS unit was involved to make the muscles contract in the shoulder, thereby lifting the arm. The person I've been discussing this with states that if the person on the table were in fact dead, there is no way to stimulate such activity with electricity. THATS where I need help explaining things..... LS

I was kind of hoping that some of the docs on here would step in and offer an explanation.... The person I showed that video to insists that the 'cadaver' is actually a live person.....HELP!

If I remember right, Ferndale is further out from Troy than Southfield is How you been, sir?

Check with LIfe Support Training Institute (part of Community EMS) in Southfield 25400 West Eight Mile Rd. Southfield, MI 48033 248.304.6055

I am a terrifying terrorist. Are you scared yet?

Genesee County still uses the EMT-S, although the state of Michigan has been threatening to phase out the EMT-S license for at least the last 10 years. In their 'wisdom', it was proposed that the EMT-B be trained to the EMT-S (intermediate) level, and the current EMT-S be sent back to school to become EMT-P. The MFR (Medical First Responders) are to be trained to the Basic level to cover the 'gaps' left in the system from moving the Basics to ILS level. Like I've said, the state had been threatening to do this for the last 10 years or so, but the wheels of bureaucracy turn slowly.......