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Do you think that the current educational standards in EMS are high enough then?

http://publicsafety.com/article/article.js...;siteSection=14

OCEMS system: Orange County runs a quasi fire-based EMS system. Paramedics in the county are only with the fire departments. Out of the cities, the vast majority of them contract with private companies to provide transport while having the paramedics respond on a fire engine. The companies with 911 contracts are Care, Doctors, Medixs, Shaffer, and Emergency. The companies that only do interfacility transport are Lynch and Pacific. Care's base of operation is near CHOC/St. Josephs hospital and the 5/55/57 interchange (the Orange Crush). They have several 911 contracts in both Orange County and LA county as well as the critical care transport contract for UCI Medical Center Children's hospital. My understanding is that they are one of the highest paid and they I'd tie them with Medix for looking professional. Doctor's Ambulance has a handful of 911 contracts in South County (Irvine, and a few other places). This is a relatively small company and the pay is around minimum wage (I made more working as an EMT-B at the nearby waterpark [bye bye Wild Rivers :crybaby:] than they pay their EMT-Bs. Doctor's base of operation is down by the 405/5 interchange (just South of the El Toro Y/Irvine Spectrum area) Schaffer Ambulance is based mostly in LA County, but also runs a modest operation in Orange County, including having the 911 contract for Costa Mesa. I've heard that their schedules suck bad and there have been plenty of rumors when I lived down there (moved August '07) that they are trying to unload their 911 contract. Medix base of operation is off of the 5 south of the El Toro Y somewhat near Doctor's base. They provide 911 services to several south county cities as well as Seal Beach. New units that look nice, but I can't offer many more comments than that. Emergency Ambulance Service is based somewhere in the Northern part of the county. They have the 911 contract for Brea. I got a chance to talk with one of their crews about a year and a half ago and would definitely advise against this company (supply and cash flow (bouncing paychecks per their employee) problems. Interfacility companies: Shoreline: Based out of Huntington Beach. This is a relatively new company, and as such I can not provide any personal impressions/grapevine information. Pacific: Standard interfacility company with the normal job pros and cons from what I've heard of people who switched from my old company to this one. They do have operations in Orange, LA, and San Diego Counties though. They, along with Lynch and Care, pay the most. Lynch (my old company): Interfacility powerhouse including the Children's Hospital of Orange County transport contract. They have a decent number of critical care calls utilizing RNs and RTs, but there are no units dedicated to critical care transports (closest available unit to the base drives back and picks up the gear and the RN and/or RT). They pay near the top ($10/hr starting, $1 differential for 4 days a week, 12 hour shifts with time and a half after 8 as well as double time after 12. Again, this data is 6 months old). Standard interfacility company problems, but I must admit that things were better when I left than when I joined. Shifts are flexible (12 hour shifts start times included 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, and 12. Given open shifts, you could spread out your shifts or bunch them all together, but you worked the same days every week. They did work with my school schedule [read weekend shifts only]). I'd honestly suggest this company only if your head is on straight and you know what you're doing well enough to defend your actions. Lynch is based in Anaheim just Northeast of the 91/57 interchange. Email me for further details.

And now we've moved past this being a "Medic vs Basic" issue to a question of education. THIS is what most of the posters here have a problem with [education standards], not Basics per say.

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Well, if we're going to extend their class time (which it looks like we're both in agreement that there should be more class time), why not just educate them all the way to paramedic than? While it is true that they're required to show proficiency in their education (it's not a skill) as they advance (The US Medical Licensing Exam comes in 4 steps (including part 2: Clinical Skills) with the first one being after the classroom/science years. That said, the USMLE is more than a simple pass/fail exam since the scores help determine residencies), there are contingencies in place if they don't pass a course though. Also, it isn't so much about making it harder to enter (which leads to the assumption that people who got their slice are just trying to defend it), but making sure that those that do enter the field have the educational and training background to be useful past "call medics, high flow O2, transport immediately." It's about providing good medical care, not necessarily who has the bigger gonads (which is how this conversation gets misconstrued as medics vs basics).

The problem is that they are. EMT-Basics are expected to operate pretty much independently and without direct supervision in the field, yet are only required to have ~120 hours of training time. If you were to subtract the time needed to just get the foundation courses that should be required of all persons providing patient care (anatomy, physio, math, technical writing), you wouldn't have very much time left in the course. How can someone provide medical care if they don't understand how the body operates when there isn't an insult to it? Without a strong base to use those experiences to build upon, how sturdy is that provider going to be? Logical fallacy: appeal to ridicule/personal attack. I can't discuss a point where no point has been made. How do you explain all of those other fields (physicians, for example) that get by without requiring their members to operate at a lower level then?

Look guys, if you want to change the field then we need everyone that's involved that we can get. Bitching that someone isn't using the search function (granted, stating that you're a long time lurker isn't helping much) in a forum with almost 10,000 posts isn't going to work, espeically when the "quick search" function is essentially useless. No one has a gun to anyone's head forcing them to post or even open the thread. It's not exactly like the thread title was hiding what the thread was about.

First things first, paragraphs will make your post more readable. I'll post my thoughts on this issue in a few minutes. While this post covers a dead horse topic (I'll throw some links to a few epic threads in a bit), I decided to at least make it so that people who see this won't have a stigmata of the eyes before they reach the end. Oh, another thing, expect someone to come in here and say something about the search option. With almost 10,000 posts in 5440 threads (http://www.emtcity.com/phpBB2/statistics.php), the search option is almost worthless unless you know what your after. Epic EMT-B discussion threads A call to arms! EMT-B's defend yourself! 320 posts Should we do away with EMT certificate 67 posts

well, it's nice to know that we're the first hit when you google 'fleshlight emt.'

Larry, Periods and sentences are not the enemy, but over use of commas are. Thanks, JP

Per a post on here from one of the managers at my old company, 80k with about 35% of them "emergent" (going to the ER). That probably includes RN/RT CCT calls, standard IFT calls (discharge, dialysis, etc), the children's hospital contract (different "division" so to speak) as well as a smaller operation in a different county.

Personally, if I were you, I'd try to keep from blasting what people said in the chat room on the forum.

Not really because there is a rather large range of beliefs in the Christian community when you look at the different sects individually.

I know that, at the very least, VS should know what this picture is.

I'm surprised that someone would use pr0n when porn works perfectly fine.

The medical examiner's card (green "DOT" card) (form DL 51) is the card you get filled out when you have your physical done. It's actually required to obtain an ambulance driver's certificate so it isn't anything extra if a person is going to be driving. Furthermore, at least in Orange County, it's required for the Ambulance Attendant license. Link to the DMV site for the medical examination report (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/forms/dl/dl51.htm) and the driver's cert (http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/ambu_drvr_cert.htm).

I'd have to disagree with that. The military is funded with tax dollars, you pay taxes, therefore it is your money. Similarly, medicare/medicade is a large reimburser for health care and both are funded with tax dollars. Therefore tax dollars is paying for the meds. Now the question is, is the amount of money per capita spent on prehospital narcotics worth being stingy with them? Probably not.

My undergrad and grad school (and, by connection, the medical school) have anatomy and physiology split up into separate courses. Now that I'm in grad school, I can see a rather good reason to do it. Anatomy and physiology (as well as histology) are all connected. You can't really learn anatomy with at least going over the basics of what that organ does. Similarly, you can't understand how organs work on a cellular level (histology) without at least brushing over anatomy and physiology. Similarly, you can't go over physiology without at least hitting the major points of anatomy and histology for that organ. By splitting up physio and anatomy into different courses, you insure that the main points are covered multiple times in a student's academic career.

Who is John Galt?

Just to let everyone know, as my class progresses I'm going to be setting up a power point file with the pictures that can be used as a quiz (What structure is A? click mouse, answer appears). The lower leg is already done and uploaded to EMTCity.com.

An error or mistake on part of the paramedics and RN does not necessarily validate the role of the basic. Especially for the paramedics, it is an indictment on the poor quality of paramedic education and training. Two of those points, especially the first, fall in line with things that people normally do without even thinking of it. I know that when I'm on scene, I'm not actively thinking/saying "scene safety." That doesn't mean, though, that I'm not evaluating the scene for hazards and addressing them appropriately.

If your not an English speaker, then please accept my responsibility. For better or worse (more worse for the native speakers), though, your ability at English composition seems to rival a lot of the native English posters.

Actually, I'd suggest that your service take its 50 thousand and invest it in some English composition courses.