BushyFromOz

Its obvious you have not read the rest of the thread about raising the minimum standrds then, cause if you did, you would see the thread was mostly devoted to having dual medic cars, and the educational requirements for those positions, so your medic/basic partnership just become void. Answer to what exactly? I guess whatever the US is foing is the right way, as opposed to the different way agin... :? For the record, we call basics in Oz "first aiders", it might not even get them a job as a patient tranport officer :shock:

Break it down bone head... 2 said people show up at MVA with 2 or more patients 2 said people call additional crews, get a firemoneky to drive and you have 2 frogs in the back with the patient 2 said people show up at arrest, and instead of farting around running lights and sirens for ALS, they dispense it on the spot 1 guy is going to be able to help the other guy better than a first aider would 2 guys will burn out much less quickly as they will not be treating as many patients on every shift So do you want more examples of just how stupid your smart ass reply is?

what an awesome discussion this turned into Thanks blokes and blokettes

Agreed! Your trying to alleviate boredom as well huh? The bachelors degree here are slightly lower than RN. This is not necessarily due to the science component, but because in order to satisfy the requirements to become an RN there is a certain amount of in hospital practical that needs to be done, and isn't covered in the pre hospital care degree. In any case, its offered as a double, 4 years and you get a bachelor of nursing/bachelor of pre-hospital care, which is my intended path at least. In any case i feel it should be like this... RN's study nursing Dr's study medicine Paramedics study pre-hospital care Many parts overlap and interlock, but each profession has its own intricacies that need to be dealt with

Pre-hospital care patient being treated by a medic with a pre-hospital care degree? Doesn't get more Pt care specific than that?

Aaahhh i see whats happening here.. Your saying Paramedics educated with a bachelor of nursing degree Im saying Paramedics educated with a Bachelor of pre-hospital care degree Guess which one is industry specific? P.S. You play devils advocate well! :wink:

WOnt touch this one.... Okay, so you have an education problem, i can dig that - so i guess you would rather throw the profession at the hospital and have them take your place in the ambulance then? You cant come up with any scenarios yourself where this would be a benefit? Becuase throwing the job at another profession only covers up the issue. Your saying education is a problem right? Well, what better way to sort it then an industry specific degree as a pre-requisite

Do you not think pre-hospital care is a specialist field? Tell me how RN's or Dr's recieve specific training and education relevent to the field of pre-hospital care? This is not really raising the bar, its making an standard that is irrelevent to the field the standard is made for.

Holy Crap! I just realised why they made us do organisational theory! :shock:

Do you not feel that pe-hospital care is a specialist field? The BLS have more save rates on trauma is a pretty simplistic analysis of whatever data your using..could it be that ALS only gets the patienst where BLS goes "Hmmmmbit to messed up for us, better they handle it?" whats the variabls here? Any service that sets a standard and its met, they should then continually do systems and input v output analysis and decide if A) The standrd needs to be raised again or The way the standard is met needs augmentation. No one should say "we are happy with where we are so we are not going to change anything", if its not evolving its dying Anyone who argues against raising the standards of the minimum level of education and training is against quality care.

Wait wait! IS SHE HOT?

Its amazing the amount of dickheadery that wrecks a good thread around here :x

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Yes it is a real sport, and its been aorund for a couple of hundred years Maybe...but not nearly as gay as that crap you guys call football, or playing the world series with only teams from the US. Your not one of those gay fire buffs whose in denial are you? :shock:

**singing to the tune of "Holy Grail'** Woke up this morning, from the strangest dream It was the worst loss the poms had ever seen They come to Oz and they lost the holy grail Started out seeking fortune and glory Its a ahort song, but its on cricketing glory And we beat the crap outta the poms, for the holy grail Well have you heard about that fatefull day? They tried to bat, but knew not how to play Yeah they played on knowing that theyd lost, the holy grail All the locals cheered, when Flintoff got bowled They played so bad, that they'd already known That they were about to lose, the holy grail We were full of beans, and they were dying like flies And the crowd screamed, when warne bowled the last guy And barmy army, yeah well they started to cry You know i, i ve been searching for an easy way To say "try again another day" I cant say it nice, i know But you played like drunks from skid row You cant play cricket i know..... I follow the aussies God knows, their his team The poms were alone, they'd lost miserably And were still here, we won back the holy grail! Just to remind you, yeah YOU LOST THE HOLY GRAIL!

You know you love it phil! :wink:

Damn... I hope none of this is directed at me, cause this is deffinately not my view!

Sorry....just let me get this out of my system.......... BUUWAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA! [/font:fddf084339] Wait wait......can you hear that sound...??? It's the sound of..... 20 MILLION AUSSIES SINGING AT ONCE I almost feel sorry for this bloke below. but i think he says it all if your a pom / The again, we whooped their backsides so these guys below are legends! / The end story is, the holy grail of cricket has come home to gods country! / =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ THIS IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY ON EARTH! =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/ :D/

Your telling me, ive had the words "Gamma amino butyric acid" running through my head for a week now :shock:

Arrgh dude, seriously, no....this is way not cool....very very uber not nice..... :shock: Unless of course your missus turns into an animal in the sack, thats totally different

Bwaahahahahaaaahahaaaaaa Number 8 is a corker!

Dude! Dont you know! Just think of all that horse riding how strong their hips, thighs and PV floor muscles are from that crazy little hip action you get while horse riding :shock: Makes for happy times..............

No argument here... Kudos...glad thats sorted then 8) Damn! How far off topic do we wanna get?

I agree, not worded well at all. I was trying to point out that what people see in the media that they draw conclusions from is not what is actually occurring My bad P.S. Being thrown in as being on the attack with Zippy hurt man :? This was deffinately not my inention

Im not sayin you are owed anything, what im saying is that we are given the vibes (weather intentionally or un-intentionally) that you are owed something and i'd say its got a lot to do with the media scourge. Your telling me the US motive, im saying what "appears" to be occurring and as a person who is not involved with the US, i'd have to say maybe my view from the outside looking in should be considered more thoughtfully than a "your misunderstanding" statement. See above. Its not that you specifically said it or meant it this way, but this is the vibe we non US folk get every day from the TV, radio and newspaper. I dont think this is a culture thing, i think its an "image" thing, and the "image" seen does not match the object beneath. Yep, European chicks are deffinately complicated There are indeed many parallels in the US and Aussie history. We to are a hodgpodge of cultures and 100 years of slavery......er....colonialism + 100 years of nationalism, but our relative isolation has given us different cultural demographics, less violent, more sociable and less militarised existance (as well as a lower population :? ) Nationalism, deffinately alive :wink: I was just saying how things "appear" to be, does not mean this is what actually is