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ukcanuk: Firstly D+V could you please explain ? http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/fluwatch/09-10/w43_09/index-eng.php This from the colony's reporting and surveillance, yes I know, click on the link and look to the pretty graphs and take into account that this is week 43, not week 44 the demographic risk group is a changing. CDC is also report similar finding's in the US, although comparing a health care system private vs public delivery, apples to oranges, only those that can afford health care in the US have early access to HEALTH care, that said we have observed this as of late in Canada IMHO class or wealth distinction, appears bragging rights for best cost effective Health Care have changed (see below for the present WINNER) A bit of a cold interesting could you kindly explain the difference in symptom reporting ? You do realize the definition of pandemic do you not ? And as if the rest of the world does not observe the same type of international travel, granted IF your working at Heathrow you are much more likely to be exposed to TB than anything else (risk factor speaking) If you look back in the posts you may observe that I personally have been exposed to H1N1 from my very healthy brother, returning from Jordan, Egypt and Israel. Personal note so have you ever been hit by a logging truck ? Well that is what it feels like H1N1 ain't the normal sniffles

Ahem best look again: So with a one year program this is what you believe is even possible with the Primitive Care Paramedic should be capable of providing, can you today go into the community and even vaccinate, I am observing the get a new toy or get an new drug in other threads you have presented, do you wish the wrath of dust to come down on the stepping stone method, I will say a prayer for you ... Canada and only parts of it actually are the titles even considered, with past involvement in requiting "medics" beyond the borders of this Kanukistan, just try to explain to an offshore oil platform operator or a rather austere setting like where SA_Medic works and your PCP will hit G files stat, EMT and PARAMEDIC are globally accepted standards. I believe following the terms that Basic Care Paramedic as is Advanced Care Paramedic that would make more sense to me, you know like BLS and/or ALS works in the rest of the world. If you wish to go that route, let me know in advance because I am going to make a killing in the EMS Patch business. On to kevkie: Just dropped by 2 AHS stations on my way back from Red Deer looking for an open vaccination clinic (yes a sidebar, none open) but I asked over 20 registered members and apparently they have not received Official notice of acceptance under HPA I believe the link provided is a draught mobey best check your PMs.

Welcome back Mate. Hope the personal problems are past tense. Oh and you still have Roo breath .... eeeww.

Thanks Kev, very interesting stuff and thanks for all the leg work. Next question when was College of Paramedics approved under HPA ? I can't find any correspondence in my files from ACoP, perhaps living in a cave does not help. http://www.collegeofparamedics.org/pages/home/default.aspx Could it be applied legislation before due process and note: Has Bill 60 passed in the legislature (note there is no DATE) on this legislation, the cart before the legal horse ? But sincere thanks for the contact: of Mr Quest, I will be contacting and for public disclosure for the costs related under the FOIP act. perhaps David Swann is too busy with H1N1 ? I certainly would like to see the criteria for CCP and / or scope of practice as you may know the membership has been informed that this title has been protected yet remains undefined, I am confused so does that mean that an ONT CCP can just walk in and take a flight job away from an EMT-P AB registered Member because they will work for less and are more qualified? All this when there is very close to a hiring freeze for UNA ? or AHS ? Fact: because in the Industrial sector there is a ton of non-registered AB so called PCP/ACP out there TODAY, Oh yes there are and are signed off with Medical Directors, perhaps paid off maybe to undercut and increase profit margin ? Thanks to Oh+S new amendments and NO thanks to ACoP as they can ONLY regulate registered members ... ah the plot thickens. So the alphabet soup begins and where just are my CCP patches again I love patches. No wait I could make a ton of money making and selling Patches ... maybe this is the AB way to stimulate the Economy ? cheers Oh and for debate sake Quakefire: This is the SASK definition of Primary Care .... curious is it not: http://www.medicine.usask.ca/research/health-research-groups/primary-health-care-research-group-1/definition-of-primary-health-care

Firstly so you agree you hold your tongue based on fear of repercussion. But Good point(s) but so does EMT and Paramedic or Police Officer, and internationally only in some provinces does the term PCP even exist and primarily because funding an intermediate level instead of the real thing, if there even is a bill 60 this will only waste taxpayers money ... the name change reason being why again ? The next point would be why are these accepted groups so successful, because they have reciprocity and nationally very strong affiliations. Question: Do we have that now ? well not with the last power play. You know mobey that we have all been beaten in this you will never see my face at an AGM again, 100 members representing 7000 ? Bylaws giving all power to the Council, there is no self governance thats a joke. But: Thing is there is an election coming soon and if one does not believe that things politically will change radically well all I will say is best be aware the Alberta Wild rose is on its way. cheers.

Now can you see what I have been trying to say in all the other posts on this starting with the volly EMT that dared to make a point. Meanwhile I sit at home and for 14 days now ... the ONLY thing I have been capable of doing is TYPE, have enough pieces of paper to work from the field, inoculate, and right up to ICUs and I still need the vaccine to help out this time Canada we fail. Meanwhile in OZ 1 out of 4 in the entire population is already vaccinated (most likey stop it in ins tracks) in the USA only a 40% of the First line workers (estimated) will receive the vaccination. cheers

Democracy to be considered a True Democracy MUST have a viable motivated opposition to represent the people its just that simple, ACoP er AB government has usurped that basic right to self governance/association under the guise of a regulatory body besides force us to pay for it too! What scares me the most about the last post you made is this, Brother your mind is being controlled as a Registered Member you are allowed your voice, your opinion thats the way it works or past tense did work and my entire point of my post. The comparison between level of care vs title protection AB is way ahead thank God, We did it right way back then. So why reinvent the wheel, so with a supposed new Bill 60 will it just result in waste of public money(s) and to what end ? I must reiterate: Just a different patch for the EMT and ALL AHC units saying PARAMEDIC on the side of the truck ... FAIL HUGE. BING thats the point THEY DO they all watched Gage and Desoto on TV 30+ years ago ... when it says Paramedic on the truck or the Patch that is the publics expectation. Don't side track this with them vs us thread thats where we continue to fail but the undermining of a Nation Group to represent the interests of ALL it is not just a FAIL its PITIFUL. look beyond the ACoP box and look to solidarity of RNs or FF NATIONALLY and it becomes more than crystal clear. cheers

Hell Not MINE mobey and your where in your program again, graduation from your class and then having to explain the difference in the Paramedic Levels to the Public WILL change your opinion is my bet, the public respects the EMT and they DO understand the title difference, this would IMHO a huge step back, just look to PAC AIT reciprocity tool and compare other provinces in scope of practice. So I ask xlq771 just what member MLA introduced this Bill because this is also the first time I have heard of it, and I do have a phone and many, many that would oppose this waste of public money(s) and to what end ? A different patch for the EMT and ALL AHC units saying PARAMEDIC on the side of the truck ... FAIL HUGE. Just look what BC government did to it the title (and other provinces) So the public has no idea what they care level they are actually recieving. The original intent of title protection should remain and we should move upward not be dictated by government as this is their plan, the concept of a self regulation professional body ACoP has become joke, were you sleeping when Pierre and Rene debated then there was that other crazy person too (called good cop bad cop) Honestly actions prove far louder than words when most of the silent majority turned a blind eye with these bylaw changes that have COMPLETELY removed any viable democratic process for self regulation. To advance this profession lets work on having the CCP level recognized FIRST or perhaps REMOTE or PRACTITIONER as per Lieperts crack pipe dreaming (more like blowing smoke) Acceptance of CCP well now that would be an accomplishment we are far behind Ontario now, so sheesh and why would that be then perhaps working on gap fiasco, trying to comply with the government mandated HPA perhaps and screwing up on so many level's brother mobey have you completed YOUR CIMS yet ? for EMT ? heck just wait till you have to play that Paramedic game, in need of CISM post entry. Rene L. our grand leader who btw has lost all respect in my eyes with all his politicking circle talking divesting from PAC and immediatly resulted in a halt in any national lobbying we cut them off at the knees with the huge investment amouting to $15.00 per year (he has to be held accountable for that huge step back)or should we call him President Paramedic? OR just the BAND AID that he is. So on that note perhaps we should change the title protection to include the EMR and call that level PARAMEDIC TOO ? that said regulating that level was COMPLETE and UTTER NONSENSE and a power play ... just look what it resulted in, need I say more, really? NOW Only 3 out of 9 on the council (last count) are actually graduates of a Paramedic program, and 1 with restricted licensure, so just a historical perspective AB in the past WAS the Leader of the pack and PAC now look where were we are, nodda with pending plan's to do the same thing as they have in BC, mandate OT, mandate working and not being included in Public Health Priority Protection : FYI: ps I bet if You tip one with Rene and he picks up the tab, well you and I will actually be paying for it and our dues will increase accordingly. cheers

'Lone Star' (Let's not forget the apostrophe to show possesive tense of Idiot.) Now that ranks up with one of funniest comments I have ever scene. Perhaps change your occupation to Grammar Nazi although that would be a step UP in attire for yourself. "Say what you will about the Nazis, but their fashion designer was fabulous." I'm really begining to think that your new job should be "Village Whipping Boy", or something to that effect! Back at y'all. cheers eh.

Well that got me to thinking, so do I have to resign as Village Idiots Helper two ? Ahem: Lone Star down for missing the "run on sentences" of which I am more than famous. I'm going out for walk to look for a blood donor, hey maybe Village Axe Murderer ? Thanks LS for the new occupation suggestion. <insert one twisted smiley> cheers

I wonder if its to late to change my travel plans ?

Dwayne slip this under the QA/QC office door btw courtesy of Rat

I suspect with all the confusion many others will now suffer from PTSD let us all forgive those that were only doing their best, I can only imagine in my worst nightmare that scenario, words escape me. These quotes from the news reporting the most alarming, some cardinal signs unrecognized possibly? With his reported religious background a serious blow to the American Muslim community. RIP Soldiers

WOW someones taking things seriously thats frigging bio level 4 stuff... HEPA full mask.Yikes thats just boosted my adrenalin going big time facing the very serious possibilty that I am on a list to go back into ICU. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosafety_level Now just my observation the biggest problem in dealing with any possible Pandemic is consistency, did we not learn ANYTHING FROM SARS ? I can see absolutely ZERO right now in any country. This is now surfacing as one of the biggest issues in Kanukistan, even the majority of Politics clowns have said hey point fingers later lets get or collective acts together. IHMO some of the contentious issues welljust some: Firstly the FEAR FACTOR media vs the experts and crackers? The Politics ... The proffiteers with "alternative treatments" ? Private vs Public HC delivery in Pandemic? Increased incidents reporting deaths vs admissions due to? Vaccine Mandatory or Not for HCW ? Who is the priority "at risk groups" ? Delivery of Vaccine, clinic or appointment or home delivery? Who is "allowed" to give the Vaccine? Availability of Vaccine? Reporting of IFL symptoms or NOT ? The effects of the preservatives, short, long term +++ and all the myths? Use of N95 vs regular masks prehospital? Use and delivery of O2 and/or nebulizers? Use of Bronchodialator efficacy. ETOH vs Soap and water. How long the virus survives on surfaces, (arcticcat best look on the Canadian website) What is a viricidal effective agent? The efficacy of anti-virals agents (add about 30 items ie complications alone to that list) This it happened to me crowd and I got a bump ... If I had hit send on my response to that I would be banned Tuna fish sandwiches. Have I left anything out ? bet sure I have .... What I see at this point is that H1N1 is not to kill, our collective stupidity will! I'm speaking for myself too, I have posted some crap based on opinion or just to get a response. cheers Hey H1N1 is the posted topic.

Ok: Squint smacks head against wall ... a whole 18 respondents in the poll but tons of this or that, hey sure please comment but PLEASE how the hell can 20 respondents generate a tangible piece of paper, when I go and and bang on some doors. sheesh no offence island but did you vote ?

docharris Already so much EBM information ... heck I think EMT city should just merge VENTMEDICS post on the topic and go from there (well accept my poll) that is .... AGREED ! Mind you if one used the most excellent search engine on this site that would not be a bad idea either EH dust? cheers

When I first started reading this thread I though it was the three little pigs LOL. WHAT ??? your not disagreeing with any of my Ramblings ? Dang I'm taking my ball and going home ... Hell sometimes even after I hit send, I don't know what my point was cheers

Ew Ew .... can I do that Paper ? How about as simple "sounding" as this for a Paper: What does the Pulse Oximeter information provide an EMT-I during a Chest Pain Call ? cheers

BUSTED again. Ok, Ok so you think it was a waste of 10 bucks well giving the dog to my ex wife it was worth every penny. Good One Dust.

No just in feeble minded .... incoming I fear

Ahem cough, I see that you say 9/11, but was not the first attack on the Trade Center explosives they caught those bastards. If one thinks about it this could be a wake up call, with H1N1 and it may become a possible and far more virulent airborne hemorrhagic pathogen in nature as in a Ebola. Nah but that will never happen thats just a conspiracy theory anyway. cheers When I was at Katerina there was plastic tab locked meds with auto injectors for the use of in Biological attack ... just saying are we really prepared ?

Well the plot thickens (politically) 3 million have been inoculated, Canada wide while 3 more million vials sit in warehouses. FAIL ALL IMHO. BC health minister is saying they surprised to recieve the Vaccine so quickly but a plan for delivery was not in place ? HUH Why ? The focus now with for example (3700 First Responders in BC not having vaccine) or available to them. Your provincial mileage may vary But the Nations capital is reporting a 40% increase in Peds admission under 9 years old. The ICUs are at full capacity in Ottawa due to this staffing issue in Hospital, has caused surgery's to be cancelled. The advice From Canad Health Dr. Butler Jones late edit/ correction and Dr. B King Chief Medical Officer of Health of Ontario BC Health Minister <insert name> agrees more deaths to come and that is that this is not slowing down although other "so called" experts are saying it has reached a conclusion ... hmm who to believe ? Word on the AHC website although the media is reporting clincs are opening ... here is the link for AB: http://www4.albertahealthservices.ca/Immunization/ ah the finger pointing begins provincial vs national On the Media front National Geographic Channel aired a H5N1 or Hemorrhagic Fever documentary. I watched the thriller "Outbreak" with Dustin Hoffman on another channel an awesome fiction. Could Media be trying to fan the FLAMES (no pun intended) to increase ratings ... again hmmm ? I am still sitting at home playing arm chair quarterback and watching debates in House of Parliament ... quite entertaining. cheers Late Entry Afghanistan 7 deaths reported H1N1 and all schools closed this from BBC.

I have well after Kaisu's post entered in a Yoga Class, not to actually learn the method but due to >25 years of lifting and a proud member of the L5S1 Club ... my comment well besides I could just not visualize it was a poor attempt at Ha Ha. Absolutely agreed but what I have not seen or posted here is a retrograde intubation with the use of a Boogie introduced cricothyroid approach I was fortunate to work with an CAF PA but the link uses a wire. This is my plan just my plan "B" but a rarely disused topic in my hood. http://www.medicalvideos.us/videos-284-Retrograde-Intubation

Bravo on the research part ... but more likely will never agree upon any thing j/k The changes in Cardiovascular Circulation second paragraph very informative hence I provide this link: http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec19/ch271/ch271a.html Some conjecture here, the first 4 breaths when a child is delivered are some of the important in the life of the human being One can quote AHA and during my last Mandatory PALS course I use Duct Tape over my mouth with this now very dummied down newer versions and quote it up the ying yang but there is far better information out there in goggle land or the actual text books. A side bar if those would tolerate ... My biggest complaint is the use of Atropine pre intubation in RSI of the pediatric population because all EBM research I have read and experience in OR in induction with anesthesia, basically a MYTH perpetuated by AHA. For some interesting controversy on that subject, I recieved a negative in a previous post ? I suspect someone did not like my suggestion "hang them by the feet" use gravity as your friend I suspect but will never know as IF this really affects me personally.This reputation thing is a popularity contest IMHO, sometimes a carry over from other threads ... whatever I do have an ex wife too I will respond with information to that end, please PM or post your objection and most pleased to help anyone out,in the spirit of this website, so for your pleasure and enjoyment the basis for my rationale: http://www.lotusbirth.com/doc/FEB2003Lotusbirth-532.htm Personally the definition is quite clear in the literature and Hyperventilation as a treatment is just something to do while you watch the CONING http://www.health.qld.gov.au/cchs/congenital/Coning.pdf and an OZ reference btw. Inter cranial bleeds at birth are a very different pathology described in the link provided to Merck. http://www.merck.com...271/ch271a.html From the information provided the difference between bradycardia at birth and complications of Coartication of Great Vessels may be more succinct, are quite different situation and after actually working in a 25 bed unit NICU with ECMO capability. Firstly (heck some gerbils) no offence intended just the gallows humour, well some have Apnea and Brad's at least 4 times per shift,we were doing trials with the use of : http://www.springerlink.com/content/v5w680423nk80136/ The accepted practice for Apnea/Brads in Nursing and Respiratory in NICU/PICU was, curiously the criteria was if a Premie was sent to floors, had an issue then was admitted to PICU ... most patients that were never a candidate for discharge from NICU were actually older confusing really... argh Hospital Politics ! Agree to Disagree based on experience and research information provided. cheers

Croaker260: Thanks for the link, looks like a good piece of Kit. cheers