Dustdevil Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 I have heard it said that God never gives us more than we can handle. Therefore, those who are endowed with sexual maturity are ready for it. To say otherwise is a non-sequitor. But the fallacy of the system you defend is evident. You think that 14 is too young, yet at least one state disagrees with you legally. So do the nations on either side of us. So to whom do we entrust this decision, and based upon what intelligent criteria?
Eydawn Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 The optimal safeguard would be to have a panel of child psychology and sexuality specialists from a variety of cultures and backgrounds decide what is the general age at which children can handle sexual interactions with adults. This is a different matter entirely than sexual interaction between individuals of the same level of cognitive development... hence why many states have the 3 years or over 18 type laws, in which the age difference cannot exceed 3 years between over 18 and under 18 partners. Unfortunately, as with so many other state laws, it has been a hodgepodge decision making process with several failings. We need some sort of law to provide legal recourse and protection for those too young to defend themselves... however, I don't necessarily agree with all the laws that currently exist. I do, however, believe that it is wrong for a 50 year old man to engage in sexual intercourse with a 13 year old... due to the different levels of maturity and development. If you think that sort of relationship is ok, I think you need to have your head examined... at the minimum. Wendy CO EMT-B
Michael Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 If your sexual psychology is such that you feel primary attraction to juveniles (male or female) then you have issues. Why "primary"? (On the topic of biblical vs. contemporary mores: Perhaps humanity as a whole evolves into maturity, akin to the way individuals mature into responsibility In that case it would be reasonable to demand more responsibility of 21st-century society than of humanity at earlier stages of development, the way we place more responsibility on 21-year-olds than on younger individuals.)
Eydawn Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 It is natural and normal for someone to look at a gorgeous, blossoming 14 year old woman and feel a sexual attraction. I guess you could say the same for looking at teenage males, although that is less publicized. HOWEVER- if that is the primary or ONLY group that fascinates or arouses you, there is a problem. As is going after teenagers for sex if you're twice their age... Isn't it accepted that normal adult individuals feel the greatest attraction to other adults? That would seem to be what our ethical codes and standards accept... Wendy CO EMT-B
Dustdevil Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 The optimal safeguard would be to have a panel of child psychology and sexuality specialists from a variety of cultures and backgrounds decide what is the general age at which children can handle sexual interactions with adults. If you believe that, you haven't had enough exposure to the psychological profession. Remember, those are the retards you curse everytime your professor insists on an APA format paper. :wink: But why the focus on sexual interactions only with adults? There are a lot more ruined lives from sexual relations between consenting minors every year than with adults. The consequences are the same, so why the distinction? Why not eliminate them all, if they are so harmful? We need some sort of law to provide legal recourse and protection for those too young to defend themselves... however, I don't necessarily agree with all the laws that currently exist. Defend? We're talking about sex, not assault and battery. Why would you consider all sex to be harmful, and even the willing participant to be a victim? Victim of what? I do, however, believe that it is wrong for a 50 year old man to engage in sexual intercourse with a 13 year old... due to the different levels of maturity and development. If you think that sort of relationship is ok, I think you need to have your head examined... at the minimum. If God does not endorse this, then why does God encourage it?
Michael Posted September 19, 2008 Posted September 19, 2008 It is natural and normal for someone to look at a gorgeous, blossoming 14 year old woman and feel a sexual attraction. I guess you could say the same for looking at teenage males, although that is less publicized. HOWEVER- if that is the primary or ONLY group that fascinates or arouses you, there is a problem. Wendy, when you wrote "If your sexual psychology is such that you feel primary attraction to juveniles (male or female) then you have issues," I read "juvenile" to mean prepubescent, the way some, though not all, others use that word. So you seemed to be leaving open the possibility that a pedophile (as opposed to a hebephile or an ephebophile) has no problem so long as his primary interest is in adults, or in God knows what else. Which didn't sound right to me.
Dustdevil Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 That is the very basis of my contention that there simply is no intelligent way to apply black and white judgements to all people based upon arbitrary criteria.
Michael Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 there simply is no intelligent way to apply black and white judgements to all people based upon arbitrary criteria. And what shade of gray would that ^ judgment be? 8)
Dustdevil Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Hmmm... should we name that the "fallacy of exclusion"?
Michael Posted September 20, 2008 Posted September 20, 2008 Do you mean mine or yours? EDIT: Oh, you're referring to the story about the first mate. Sorry.
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