ACP to RN?

[BEorP]

There are places where you can do a BScN program in less time based on previous university education. The University of Western Ontario has one that is 19 months full time for people who already have at least two years of university (but usually a degree). I believe that U of T has a similar program.

[akroeze]

There are places where you can do a BScN program in less time based on previous university education. The University of Western Ontario has one that is 19 months full time for people who already have at least two years of university (but usually a degree). I believe that U of T has a similar program.

True but unfortunately they won't recognize college credit for anything so Paramedic doesn't help at all.

[WolfmanHarris]

Ya my degree in Philosophy counts more than Paramedic. Which I understand and don't at the same time.

[BEorP]

True but unfortunately they won't recognize college credit for anything so Paramedic doesn't help at all.

Since many paramedics nowadays have degrees anyway so it may help a large percentage.

[akroeze]

Since many paramedics nowadays have degrees anyway so it may help a large percentage.

But that isn't by virtue of them being a Paramedic. The Paramedic part of your education counts for nothing at all in the realm of university is all my point is. Yeah if you have a university degree on top of it then you will be given those allowances just like everyone else with a degree.

[yoyo]

The cynic in me says this has nothing to do with “education” and everything to do with money. If you have a degree (or two years of previous ‘university’) this counts towards the (now) four year nursing degree. That means you’ve paid money, at least to some university, for at least two years of “education”! Paramedicine is college education – no money to the universities. Yes there is a Paramedic degree offered by Uof T. This more than likely an attempt to ‘cash in’? You still need the College Program to be eligible to write the Ontario A-EMCA exam if I’m not mistaken.

Who here who has been through both the RN program and the Paramedic program? Can you enlighten us as to what are the differences/similarities are? What more does an RN program include/encompass?

Colleges in Ontario (where I am educated and work) are not exempt from the cash grab either! At last count there are at least sixteen (16) community colleges and three (3) private colleges running a Primary Care (PCP) program. Let say each college graduates eighteen (18) students (probably a conservative estimate) – that’s 342 people looking for precious few jobs available in this province right now. {Approx. 1200 applicants wrote last year Centralized Testing Exam (for Toronto, Durham, York, Peel and Halton Regions). Only about 200 of those went on to the second of 3-4 steps of employment.} That’s on top of all of the other graduates from the previous few years ALSO looking for jobs. When these college publish success rates, these rates are either A-EMCA (provincial certification exam) pass rates or employment rates that include graduates working in any job that resembles Paramedicine including Patient transfer and First Aid/CPR teaching. Not just graduates who have been successful in finding employment in an Emergency EMS service.

[BEorP]

Paramedicine is college education – no money to the universities. Yes there is a Paramedic degree offered by Uof T. This more than likely an attempt to ‘cash in’? You still need the College Program to be eligible to write the Ontario A-EMCA exam if I’m not mistaken.

Are you saying that from your understanding graduates of the BSc paramedicine program cannot write the AEMCA?

[yoyo]

From the Ontario Ministry of Health Web site…

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/public...du/schools.html

…these Ontario Colleges are the only programs recognized by the Ministry of Health to allow a graduate to challenge the A-EMCA Exam. The UofT program is not listed. However, upon some additional research…

http://www.utsc.utoronto.ca/~registrar/cal...IN_PARAMEDICINE

http://db2.centennialcollege.ca/ft/FMPro?-...ogram+Code=9101

…it seems that Centennial College offers a “Joint Program” with UofT (Scarborough Campus) in Paramedicine. 1st Year at UofT, 2nd & 3rd years at both UofT and Centennial and 4th year back at UofT. This gets you both a diploma and degree. The diploma (from Centennial) is what you need to qualify to write the A-EMCA.

1. There is a Bridging program offered by Centennial (more money to Centennial!) that allows graduates of other programs to achieve eligibility for admission to the Joint Paramedicine Bachelor of Science Degree at UofT. (More money for UofT!)

2. If there are other Universities offering degrees in Paramedicine not affiliated with an Ontario College, you would likely have to challenge the “Equivalency Process”…

http://www.health.gov.on.ca/english/public.../edu/equiv.html

…to see if you can hold an A-EMCA certificate. You may have, or not have, to write the A-EMCA Theory Exam as part of this process based on your education and experience.

Apparently Canadian Therapeutic College, a Private College in Burlington, has an agreement with Charles Sturt University (CSU), Australia for advanced standing for a degree completion (through distance education) in the Bachelors Degree of Clinical Practice (Paramedic). This is once you have graduated from the college program.

http://www.canadiantherapeuticcollege.com/...end_program.htm

P.S. By the way, the 1st link to approved colleges actually shows twenty-two (22) Ontario Colleges offering a Paramedic Program. That’s now almost four hundred (400) students every year looking for work in Ontario! (at a conservative 18 graduates per college)

[BEorP]

2. If there are other Universities offering degrees in Paramedicine not affiliated with an Ontario College, you would likely have to challenge the “Equivalency Process”…

The only way to enter the U of T paramedicine program as a non-paramedic is to enter the joint program. All graduates are eligible to write the AEMCA exam. Your #2 here doesn't apply because no other Ontario university offers a paramedicine degree.