Should the H1N1 flu vaccine be mandatory for all health care workers?

[tniuqs]

And now true situational irony, I was on the list to be one of the first to be inoculated, so then I could assist with others that had an IQ higher than 4, the line ups for high risk groups after a 13 and a 14 year old died in 3 days in Ontario are 4 to 5 hours long in Edmonton today ... there is more vacine than tamiflu, period.

Backgrounder: In another thread I had severe back pain ... sought help from local ER 3 days ago(they sucked btw) but not the point ... was at least 5 people hacking and G damn sick in the waiting room, all staff were masked well accept for the moron MD.

I NOW have every symptom, last time I was this ill I landed in my own ICU on BI Level support for 3 days, cough producing, not just sputum but so hard I have upper and lower GI losses, it so sucks to clean up your own puke. I so tried to explain that this Influenza was just URTI ... I WAS WRONG ! SO WRONG.

I have isolated myself voluntarily, the pig is out of the barn for me, my MD said stay at home only come to office if I had to be admitted.

So all you non believers that its not to best thing to try to stop this in its tracks .... hey then come on up and spend some quality time with me, and I need someone to help clean up chicken soup that firefly suggested I eat .... highly unlikely Cambells soup was toxic.

Or you could listen to Dr. B, Ventmedic, ER doc and those that are trusted as knowledgeable experts on this site ... your call.

http://www.emtcity.com/index.php/topic/16746-gimme-the-flu-vaccine-or-i-wont-play-emt/page__st__10__gopid__227845&#entry227845

Still no responses .... anyone ???

Phil the moose population here has no worries here, I couldn't get it up with a bottle of Viagra and Popsicle sticks with Duct tape, sorry best I could think of on short notice.

Sure hope my ex wife follows my advice and my kids are in the line right now ....

no cheer at all.

[ccguido]

Probably will be like all the other flu vaccines....get the vaccine and get the flu. Likewise, would like a little more study.

My kids Pediatrician said that it is made with Mercury in it.... so No I will not let my kids get. On a related note my one son already got the virus and am happy to say that after 8 days he is fine. So it is already in my household.

- Chris

[Just Plain Ruff]

My kids Pediatrician said that it is made with Mercury in it.... so No I will not let my kids get. On a related note my one son already got the virus and am happy to say that after 8 days he is fine. So it is already in my household.

- Chris

I think your physician is wrong. I could also be wrong but I don't believe the the flu shot nor the h1n1 shot has mercury in it.

anyone confirm this?

[spenac]

I think your physician is wrong. I could also be wrong but I don't believe the the flu shot nor the h1n1 shot has mercury in it.

anyone confirm this?

Actually post #54 has the list and mercury is in it.

"Preservative content is 5µg Thimerosal USP per 0.5mL dose or 2.5 micrograms organic mercury (Hg) per 0.5mL dose"

[akflightmedic]

I think your physician is wrong. I could also be wrong but I don't believe the the flu shot nor the h1n1 shot has mercury in it.

anyone confirm this?

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2008884/h1n1_flu_vaccine_will_contain_mercury.html?cat=5

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/30/eveningnews/main5199314.shtml

Yes it does, but they also say this..."The government says a thimerosol-free vaccine will be available."

[Just Plain Ruff]

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2008884/h1n1_flu_vaccine_will_contain_mercury.html?cat=5

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/07/30/eveningnews/main5199314.shtml

Ok, so I was wrong.

Just what the F are they putting that type of crap in the shots for? Can't they put something less toxic in it?

But i suspect that dosage is so small that it causes nary a problem but why tempt it?

What next, saccharin in our soft drinks? lead in our paint, OH THE HUMANITY I'm moving to a cave in arizona.

[Richard B the EMT]

...and this just in, from the New York City Department of Health and Mental Hygene:

This page is located on the NYC.gov Web site at

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/pr2009/pr067-09.shtml

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Press Release # 067-09

Wednesday, October 28, 2009

MEDIA CONTACT:

Jessica Scaperotti/Zoe Tobin (DOHMH) - (212) 788-5290

Marge Feinberg (DOE) - (212) 374-5141

City Officials Launch School-Based H1N1 Vaccination Program

Phase One of Vaccination Effort Begins at Elementary Schools in All Five Boroughs

October 28, 2009 - Deputy Mayor for Health and Human Services Linda I. Gibbs, New York City Health Commissioner Dr. Thomas A. Farley and Schools Chancellor Joel I. Klein today marked the beginning of a three-phase initiative to vaccinate the city's school-age population against H1N1 influenza. The first phase starts today at 125 public elementary school buildings with enrollments of less than 400. Phase two starts November 4 in school buildings with enrollments of more than 600, and the third phase begins November 9 in the remaining schools. Vaccinations will continue at participating elementary schools for approximately eight weeks. Non-public schools that choose to participate in the city's vaccination effort will also receive vaccine during this period. Weekend vaccine sites for middle-school and high-school students will be held in each borough starting in November.

Last week, New York City's elementary school students started taking home vaccine information packets that include consent and screening forms. By signing and returning the forms - also available in 10 languages at nyc.gov/flu – parents can have their children vaccinated free-of-charge against the H1N1 influenza virus.

“The City is making this extra effort to vaccinate children,” said Deputy Mayor Gibbs. “Parents who want to have their children vaccinated may do so at no cost. Since immunization is the best way to prevent the spread of H1N1 in schools and throughout the community, this initiative is essential to the City's influenza-prevention plan.”

The City has put particular emphasis on vaccinating children because they are especially susceptible to novel H1N1 and because vaccinating children also helps prevent the spread of infection from them to adults in the community. “We strongly encourage families to take advantage of this immunization effort,” Commissioner Farley said. “Besides protecting their own children from influenza, parents who take advantage of the vaccinations will help prevent the spread of the virus to others.”

“Our schools are working closely with the Health Department to make sure all of our students receive the vaccine if their parents want them immunized," said Chancellor Klein. "The program is voluntary and we will not vaccinate children without parental consent, so we encourage families to sign the consent forms and send them back to their schools as soon as possible.”

City officials encourage parents to have their children vaccinated by their regular health care providers if possible. Approximately 800 New York City providers who ordered H1N1 vaccine have more than 380,000 doses ready to administer. Additional orders of 220,000 doses have already been placed and New York City providers should be receiving them in the coming days. These providers include hospital clinics and community health centers as well as private pediatricians. Though H1N1 vaccine is now increasingly available for children and health care providers who want to be immunized, the federal government has yet to distribute enough vaccine to fully cover other populations. Federal authorities expect allocations to increase in coming weeks. The school vaccination program is intended to ensure that no school-age child goes unvaccinated for lack of access. Currently, H1N1 influenza is circulating in New York City at low levels.

The H1N1 vaccine comes in two forms: an injection and a nasal spray. Children may receive one form or the other depending information parents provide on the consent and screening forms. Children under 10 years old will need two doses of the vaccine to get full protection.

After school-based vaccination, parents will receive written confirmation that their children have received the vaccine. Parents are instructed to give a copy of the confirmation to the child's medical provider.

The H1N1 vaccine is produced in exactly the same way that seasonal influenza vaccines are produced, and it has undergone the same testing. Influenza vaccines can cause mild side effects, but serious reactions are exceedingly rare.

The H1N1 virus typically causes several days of fever, cough and sore throat. Most people recover quickly without treatment, but the infection can cause severe illness or death, especially among people with underlying health conditions. Because certain people are at increased risk of complications from H1N1 influenza, vaccination is especially important for them. The following people should receive the H1N1 vaccine:

People 6 months to 24 years old

Pregnant women

Health care and emergency medical workers

People aged 25 to 64 years with long-term health problems

People who live with or care for children younger than 6 months.

More details are available at nyc.gov/flu or cdc.gov/h1n1flu/ - will be updated to include approximately 40 H1N1 vaccine distribution locations.

Although students are being sent home with consent forms, parents can also download the forms from nyc.gov/flu, sign printed copies and send them back to school with their children. All materials are available in Arabic, Bengali, Chinese, English, French, Haitian Creole, Korean, Russian, Spanish and Urdu. Consent forms will also be available on site at the weekend vaccination clinics the City is holding for middle-school and high-school students during November and December. For more information about these weekend vaccination events, visit nyc.gov/flu or call 311.

New York City Flu Fighters have also been working to promote flu awareness at school events and ensuring other parents are aware of the due date for consent forms for school-based vaccination. New Yorkers interested in becoming a Flu Fighter should visit www.nyc.gov or call 311.

[HERBIE1]

http://www.associate...cury.html?cat=5

http://www.cbsnews.c...in5199314.shtml

Yes it does, but they also say this..."The government says a thimerosol-free vaccine will be available."

LMAO

When? After this thing has already run it's course?

My gawd, could the government move any slower on this?

As an aside-

So does this mean that the next problem we'll have is an autism epidemic because millions of kids have been given the mercury in the H1N1 vaccine? (For the record, I'm not in the "inoculations cause autism" camp. It's just an offhand comment)

I'll bet folks like Jenny McCarthy are hopping mad about this.

[akflightmedic]

I'll bet folks like Jenny McCarthy are hopping mad about this.

Yeh no kidding...if only she had not hooked up with Jim Carey, she would be needing to raise money to battle this...we all know how she raises money (or used to anyways)...sigh...

[HERBIE1]

Yeh no kidding...if only she had not hooked up with Jim Carey, she would be needing to raise money to battle this...we all know how she raises money (or used to anyways)...sigh...

They do make quite a couple, don't they?

She's smoking hot, and he's an idiot. LOL

Personally, I never thought Jim Carey was funny. I liked a couple of his characters on "In Living Color", but I just don't get the guy's humor or his immense popularity.

Back to the immunization thing for a moment- can you imagine what would happen if they ever DO prove a link to problems like autism? I realize there is nothing but anecdotal evidence for it now, but it does make you think.

I am skittish about so many inoculations now, and all the antimicrobial products we are using. I really think we have weakened our immune systems to the point where they aren't nearly as effective as they used to be, but that's just a personal opinion.