aussiephil Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 French PM Francois Fillon wants anti-burqa measures French PM Francois Fillon wants anti-burqa measures From: AFP January 13, 2010 12:30AM Increase Text SizeDecrease Text SizePrintEmail Share Add to DiggAdd to del.icio.usAdd to FacebookAdd to KwoffAdd to MyspaceAdd to NewsvineWhat are these?FRENCH Prime Minister Francois Fillon has told MPs he's in favour of banning the full Islamic veil through a raft of legal and parliamentary measures. Mr Fillon has told a meeting of deputies from his governing right-wing UMP party that parliament should adopt a resolution outlining France's rejection of the burqa and that several "legislative texts and regulations'' should follow. Her waded into a heated debate over whether to ban Muslim women from wearing the full veil, known as the niqab or burqa, just weeks before a parliamentary panel was due to release a report on the issue. Many politicians from the left and right have cautioned that a draconian law banning the head-to-toe veil would be difficult to enforce and probably face a challenge in the European rights court. Home to Europe's biggest Muslim minority, France set up the special panel six months ago to consider whether a law should be enacted to ban the burqa. French President Nicolas Sarkozy has said that the burqa is not welcome in France but has not stated publicly whether legislation should be enacted. France's political establishment is divided on whether to ban the burqa, with the opposition Socialists saying that they opposed a law even though they believed Muslim women should be discouraged from wearing the full veil. A parliamentary resolution would provide the governing majority with political cover, by making a national statement, but there could also be amendments introduced to amend security laws, according to deputies.
emtannie Posted January 13, 2010 Posted January 13, 2010 Hmmmmm..... nice ethical debate you have opened up Phil.... I think sometimes countries have leaned so far to the rights of the individual that the rights of the majority are lost. I don't mean that minorities should be completely excluded... but I mean that if you know a country is not open to your religion or culture, you should consider not moving there, rather than move there and try to force them to accept your ideations. With all the political correctness of language and allowances made, and having to have signs, and instructions, and all printed matter in so many languages.. at what point do we become like the people of Babel, where we can't communicate at all? 1
aussiephil Posted January 14, 2010 Author Posted January 14, 2010 OK, lets look at it a different way then. Should any government be able to dictate how you dress? Should they for example, be able to stipulate the length of a skirt (minimum or maximum)? How tight jeans can be? or how low cut a top can or cant be? This story is on a Burka, but could so easily effect our day to day lives.
Mateo_1387 Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 OK, lets look at it a different way then. Should any government be able to dictate how you dress? Should they for example, be able to stipulate the length of a skirt (minimum or maximum)? How tight jeans can be? or how low cut a top can or cant be? This story is on a Burka, but could so easily effect our day to day lives. Government can require that you wear a minimum standard of clothing, I reckon they can set a maximum too. Religion sets standards too. Personally, I am thinking it is a bit far to prohibit the burka, but I would love to hear their reasoning before they get bombed or I can make up my mind. Matty
aussiephil Posted January 14, 2010 Author Posted January 14, 2010 (edited) Personally, I am thinking it is a bit far to prohibit the burka, but I would love to hear their reasoning before they get bombed or I can make up my mind. Matty Matty, does this mean that all women who wear Burka's are terrorists? Do all surfers smoke dope? Are all junkies street dwelling scum? Generalisations like this are more detrimental & show a lack of understanding. I know many muslims who deplore the reign terror has started, but attitudes such as this will never & can never help. for clarity, here is a quote as to why some women choose to wear a burka The principle behind the burqa is that it is clothing that maintains personal modesty. Clothing that is worn as recommended by the Quran is called Hijab. In certain portions of the Quran, Allahs words as stated by Muhammad are that women should cover their "beauties": their chests, hair, legs, and arms. These should only be viewed by husbands and family. Not all Islamic scholars feel that these passages describing Hijab mean the same thing. Is this so different from some fundamentalist organisations such as the Amish & their dress codes? Edited January 14, 2010 by aussiephil 1
akflightmedic Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 Is this so different from some fundamentalist organisations such as the Amish & their dress codes? Yeh but the Amish do not hide their faces from view, thereby removing one of the main reasons of burqa paranoia which we have encountered multiple times here in Afghanistan...which is the men have no issue hiding in a burqa to move about town or get in and out of certain places to cause harm because no Islamic guard is going to force the woman to show her face. We also had a similar case in FL a few years back, a woman wanted her driver's license picture taken with her burqa in place...hmmmm.
FireMedic65 Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 If I go to your country, I have to follow your laws/regulations. You come to mine, you should do the same.
emtannie Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 Should any government be able to dictate how you dress? Should they for example, be able to stipulate the length of a skirt (minimum or maximum)? How tight jeans can be? or how low cut a top can or cant be? Governments already do dictate dress to an extent.. for example, nudity and provacative dress. I agree with AK - the issue isn't so much the Burqa, but the fact that it hides identity. Recent history has specific examples of misuse of this cultural/religious clothing item. I don't think it is a generalization if evaluation of terrorist events show a significant number of events include someone concealing their identity by wearing a burqa in order to gain access to an area. Given these events, in order to provide protection for its citizens, I can see why the French government is considering this. Again, the grey area is the freedom of the individual vs the freedom/safety/opinions of the majority.
Kiwiology Posted January 14, 2010 Posted January 14, 2010 In a free and open society such as ours we shold be able to wear what we want and nobody has the right to tell me otherwise! Should I choose to walk down the street naked then I should be allowed to do so and I do not see it as being rude or offensive or somehow shameful like we have been led to believe; there is nothing inherently wrong with the human body and the notion certian parts of it are not for public exhibition or discussion are just absolute crap. I for one do not care if the lady infront of me at the grocery line is telling her friend what a great Mr Destroyer dildo with clit nubber she bought online or if she has an impacted anal gland for example, but you get people who go "oh hush up thats not nice to talk about here" or whatever. So my answer is no, it's not right at all.
aussiephil Posted January 14, 2010 Author Posted January 14, 2010 If I go to your country, I have to follow your laws/regulations. You come to mine, you should do the same. Well & good to say that, but your country, like mine offers people the freedom to worship as they see fit.
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