Felony and Employment as EMT in NJ

[snoopy911]

Very well said Herbie.

Very sorry that i misunderstood, as a felony theft conviction is alot different. You could definitely try, as there is no harm in that. Honesty IS the best policy. The worst they can tell you is no. But those are things you want to tell the person giving you the interview. I don't know of ANY jobs, not just in our field, that don't require backround checks. But if you are upfront and honest, you may have a chance.

I have a friend, who was convicted many years ago, of a felony, i believe he stole a fire truck while intoxicated one night. Anyway, that was the only charge he ever got, and he had proved himself to not be that person any more. After many years of education and experience, he is now the head of Medical Radiation and Oncology at a Hospital outside of Philadelphia. His record will never go away, but i know with him, being honest and upfront about his past helped him get his job.

[S_Stringer]

I told this story before but it bears repeating. Obviously laws vary from state to state, so you need to do your homework.

Years ago I was a manager for a private provider. I had approximately 35 year old guy submit an application for an EMTB position, and he clearly stated that he had served time for theft as a younger guy. His application was well written, had good references(which I checked) and he seemed like a pretty good candidate. A day after I received the application, he called to ask if I received it, and if I had any questions. He also made sure to point out that he had indeed served prison time. I said we were reviewing his application and I would get back to him either way. Very impressed at his honesty and the fact that he followed up his application with a call.

I checked the references, they spoke glowingly of the guy. There was no legal reason not to hire him. I went to the boss(the owner) and fought for the guy. It took a lot of convincing, I said I would bring him in for an interview, and we could put him on an extended probation period to cover our asses. The boss finally relented and agreed to let me interview the guy. I was impressed as hell- personable, very honest and contrite- he said he did something stupid as a kid and he was tired of the dead end jobs he had since then. He really wanted to make a difference and help folks and was frustrated that nobody would even give him an interview. I explained I would go to the boss and recommend he be hired, under certain conditions. He completely understood. Well, after a lot of begging(and putting my ass and reputation on the line), we hired him. I explained to him how hard I fought for him, that I was going out on a major limb, and that he had better not make me look foolish or regret my decision.

Turned out he was the best employee I ever dealt with. Conscientious, hard worker, great attitude, and patients, contracts, and partners loved him, and I could always count on him. Never late- despite the fact he took 3 buses and a train to get to work(a 2 hour commute). He was so appreciative of the fact that we gave him a chance, he never let me down. He left after a couple years when he finally found a better paying job, closer to home, in part because of the glowing recommendation I gave his new boss and the opportunity we gave him to establish a work history in the field. I couldn't have been happier for the guy, but was really sorry to see him go. I also scored some major points with the boss- after that, he really trusted my instincts and I was given more responsibilities- and a nice raise. LOL

Moral of the story- find someone who will give you a chance. It may be tough, don't get discouraged, but there are people out there willing to offer you a job. Be up front and HONEST about your past, answer questions directly and without evasion, accept any reasonable conditions an employer asks of you. Remember, to them, you are a potential liability and this is a business. Explain what happened to you, WHY it happened, WHY it won't happen again, and what steps you have taken to ensure you never go down that road again. Every job interview is about selling yourself, and the only difference here is that you have even more to sell and explain.

Good luck. I wish you the best.

You know something? You have been the only one so far, anywhere, not only on this forum, who has given me a reason to actually believe in myself again. When I first got out of jail, I found a job working for a company called Pathology Solutions. The woman who hired me said she couldn't believe how bright I was and how quickly I caught on to my duties...because I honestly never did accessioning pathology specimens before. Three weeks later, suddenly, I received a phone call after I returned home at the end of my shift and was told that I was in my probationary period and they decided they had to let me go because I made too many mistakes. I found out shortly thereafter that they received my backround check and that appeared to be the only reason they let me go. They didn't even fight me on receiving unemployment. I rented an apartment and decided it was better not to mention I had been in jail or had been in any kind of legal trouble to my landlord. I have always done the right thing by her, and two months ago I slipped and told her I had been in jail and was having trouble finding employment, that I was so frustrated because after I lost my job with Pathology Solutions I did everything I could to get hired by somebody, anybody. I placed my resume all over the place online, and received a phone call from a recruiting agency for a laboratory for a phlebotomy position (yes, I am a nationally certified phlebotomy technologist), but I was stupid and was open about my crime, because they sent me paperwork and on it was the necessary backround check form....and they didn't pursue hiring me, when just prior to that they couldn't get me to sign up fast enough.

I have pretty much decided that I'm not going to find gainful employment doing much of anything unless I want to pump gas....even FoodTown does a check on your past. Now I understand why the Monmouth County Jail seems to have a revolving door for those that pass through. The funny thing is, and I really got a good laugh out of this: I told the Prosecutor that I was willing to pay back restitution for my crime. The Judge, when I went before her, said I was to be placed on three years probation and pay back restitution. She didn't feel I would be out of jail very long. This is my first offense at doing ANYTHING wrong ever in my lifetime other than running away from home as a teen. When I went to my first meeting with my initial probation officer who did my intake, I was advised that I was ordered to pay restitution in the amount of 1200 dollars each month. She looked at me, and said, "I don't know......even if you were working a full time job, you would never....Hell, I would never, be able to pay that, pay rent, utilities, for food and general expenses." If I didn't pay I would be in violation of probation, be arrested again, and spend the rest of my sentence in prison. I was assigned a regular probation officer and she worked with me and now I am paying $100 each month. I have not skipped any payments.

So you see.....clearly the system works against anyone who commits a crime, no matter what it is. People have a mindset that "Once a criminal, always a criminal" and, "Wow. She did THAT? I shouldn't even trust her enough to hire her...."

My youngest daughter, Ashley, just before she turned 21, and just before I got arrested and went to jail six days before her 21st birthday...decided that she wanted to follow in my footsteps and become an EMT. She never understood why, after being forced to resign the Paramedic program (Asso. Degree in Paramedics run back in 1993 through UMDNJ and Essex County College) just shy of completing the program because my employer at a hospital wouldn't change my shift so I could finish my final clinical requirements in the Psych unit at Helene Fuld and my Pediatric clinical requirements and the final 300 hours MICU riding time...she couldn't understand why I didn't go back. She idolized me.....she saw me in action, and I told her several weeks after I started using heroin, that I was on that drug. It crushed her. I had lost the job I had with a private ambulance company in the middle of April 2009 because I had traces of the morphine and percocet the doctor had prescribed for me in my urine when I was given a random drug test. I had told the previous HR person at our company that I had been in pain management and provided the prescriptions and she knew the quality of my work....and never had a problem with me.....but, the new HR person and I locked horns right from the beginning. I had been with the company for almost 6 years. It was after I lost my job that everything went down with my meds being stolen, and my rapid spiral downward into the world of heroin use. So it was that I told her I was using heroin. She saw me with a "soldier" who was sent to protect my butt when I was doing the running for my landlord (HR, remember?)...and she was frightened that something would happen to me. I looked her straight in the eye and told her.....not to worry.....but I knew deep inside that I wanted to destroy myself....because in my eyes I had become dirt.

Anyway.....these days I know I'm not dirt.....I want to prove that I am the same person who did street EMS in the Oranges, who went the extra mile to do the right thing......hell, I'm BETTER for the experience I had.....because I know I could beat the odds....if I had the chance to be a productive member of the community, if I could be a productive member of the society.....

Thanks for your words.....you, so far, have been the only one that shows there is still someone out there who BELIEVES that something good and worthwhile can come out of someone who had done something they did time for. Thanks for having faith.

Very well said Herbie.

Very sorry that i misunderstood, as a felony theft conviction is alot different. You could definitely try, as there is no harm in that. Honesty IS the best policy. The worst they can tell you is no. But those are things you want to tell the person giving you the interview. I don't know of ANY jobs, not just in our field, that don't require backround checks. But if you are upfront and honest, you may have a chance.

I have a friend, who was convicted many years ago, of a felony, i believe he stole a fire truck while intoxicated one night. Anyway, that was the only charge he ever got, and he had proved himself to not be that person any more. After many years of education and experience, he is now the head of Medical Radiation and Oncology at a Hospital outside of Philadelphia. His record will never go away, but i know with him, being honest and upfront about his past helped him get his job.

Hey Snoopy. I am going to give it my best shot. I don't give up. I gave up on myself when I gave in to addiction and I gave in to that one crime I did....I'll regret it the rest of my life.....but sometimes we become stronger after we face our weaknesses head on. These days I attend something called Project Free, and I go to Narcotics Anonymous Meetings. When you face yourself, you find out things about yourself that, well, make you want to buckle at times....but you get an inner strength when you face your demons....I'm going to do my best to get a job....I have no doubts in my abilities.....I mean, I was a female EMT doing my thing in the early 90's, proving that I could be just as good as any male EMT....I can do it....I just need to...sell my abilities so it outshines the wrong that I did. Wish me luck.

[HERBIE1]

Snoopy- You are quite welcome. I can't say that I can relate to what you are going through but again, all you can do is keep going and try not to be discouraged. Not to sound preachy, but your situation is an object lesson for kids- or anyone who makes bad choices- the consequences can last long after you have overcome the problem.

The fact is, you beat a problem that ends up beating many folks. Nobody can take that away from you.

[Richard B the EMT]

Susan:

Looking at things from a New York State perspective, our EMT renewal applications have a space to indicate if the applicant has had any types of convictions from the time of their last renewal. I am told that anybody indicating that they do, is given a case by case review and evaluation by the state DoH.

If you tell a prospective employer of your conviction, if employed, at least it will be better for you, than if you get hired, and then they find out, which would probably result in you being fired.

Good luck.

[S_Stringer]

One reason we can be quick to judge is when it seems like someone is trying to hide their background in a situation like this. Asking if we know of any service that don't do background checks just seems like you are trying to hide your past.

Actually, no. I have no problem blurting out what I did, because I am truthful to a fault about it....I normally tell my potential employer even before I fill out the paperwork, which appears to be why I'm not getting hired, even at coffee shops. I said it that way because people tend to be judgmental, just as you appear to be right now, or it could be because you are not reading between the lines.

Susan:

Looking at things from a New York State perspective, our EMT renewal applications have a space to indicate if the applicant has had any types of convictions from the time of their last renewal. I am told that anybody indicating that they do, is given a case by case review and evaluation by the state DoH.

If you tell a prospective employer of your conviction, if employed, at least it will be better for you, than if you get hired, and then they find out, which would probably result in you being fired.

Good luck.

Thanks, Rich....

I don't hide what I did. I have actually gone to people and flat out said, "I have to tell you that I went to County Jail for four months because I stole from someone. I am currently on Probation, and I am paying restitution back to the person I stole from. I am ashamed for what I did. I'm just looking for a chance to prove that I'm not that same person. I am reliable, punctual to a fault, and strive to be the best at what I'm supposed to do. You won't regret hiring me....all I need is that chance. Thanks."

I was asking if anyone does NOT do backround checks out of frustration.

Thanks for your input. I appreciate your help.

Snoopy- You are quite welcome. I can't say that I can relate to what you are going through but again, all you can do is keep going and try not to be discouraged. Not to sound preachy, but your situation is an object lesson for kids- or anyone who makes bad choices- the consequences can last long after you have overcome the problem.

The fact is, you beat a problem that ends up beating many folks. Nobody can take that away from you.

Many hugs and much love. Thanks.

Edited May 9, 2010 by S_Stringer