JPINFV Posted August 3, 2010 Posted August 3, 2010 I'm curious as to when the movement to repeal the First Amendment of the US Constitution begins.
HERBIE1 Posted August 4, 2010 Posted August 4, 2010 I'm curious as to when the movement to repeal the First Amendment of the US Constitution begins. The first amendment - not sure, but lots of other rights will soon be on the line as soon as they open the doors on the new mosque. Sharia law doesn't take too kindly to things like women's rights.
JPINFV Posted August 4, 2010 Posted August 4, 2010 (edited) Yes, this country is going to Sharia Law just as all of the Catholic churches are trying to force Canon Law onto the country. Edited August 4, 2010 by JPINFV
Richard B the EMT Posted August 4, 2010 Posted August 4, 2010 Understanding that the Mosque is supposed to further "unity" I understand, but really, how many people go into somebody else's house of worship to further unity? Lady J is a Roman Catholic, and I am Jewish. We have attended services at each other's houses of worship for years. We go with Momma B sometimes, to a regional interfaith gathering, at other houses of worship. About the only ones we have not been to are Mosques, and I don't know what the name is for houses of worship of the Hindu and Sikh religions.
Doogs Posted August 4, 2010 Posted August 4, 2010 (edited) I have read some, not all, of the posts in this thread. It's interesting to see the different viewpoints. I had a sent to me recently that help shed light on the whole rationale for building a mosque at/near the WTC site. Please watch it - all of it. It's an eye opener. By the way - be cautious of becoming too tolerant, that's what happened to your neighbors to the north & now they've lost their most of their national identity. Too much tolerance opens the door to anyone setting up shop and making your country whatever they want it to be. Edited August 4, 2010 by Doogs
tniuqs Posted August 4, 2010 Author Posted August 4, 2010 I'm curious as to when the movement to repeal the First Amendment of the US Constitution begins. What is "legal" is not necessarily politically correct or sensitive or even respectful of other religions like the ones that actually built and shaped North America ? This situation will be repeated once the precedent has been established, as in the the minaret (just look to the UK [where today one can see the minaret right next to the Houses of Parliament] now a minaret next to the Twin Towers memorial ? Or that lovely and hardly "keep women down" Burka just what womens lib group are supporter of this sign of oppression ? http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/holy-post/archive/2009/10/07/muslim-group-calls-for-burka-ban-in-canada.aspx Radical Muslims or not, IMHO this a recipe for ongoing controversy and hatred .. not tolerance its a one way street apparently, this building of a mosque goes much deeper. Now factor in the these most serious controversy's in Belgium, Italy, France, OZ to mention a few this protest of many New Yorkers is not without merit. The difference in philosophy of the USA (a melting pot) compared to the rights insane Kanukistan (multiculturalism) no blending of culture it is most seriously becoming just isolated communities and very tribal in nature (man has not developed enough) just look to the "cultural gangs" being the true litmus paper. We have observed what has happened in Bosnia/Rwanda ++, those "cultural differences" did start civil wars ... FACT ! http://www.cogwriter.com/news/religious-news/burqa-banning-in-belgium-italy-france-and-australia/ http://journalistaward.stop-discrimination.info/fileadmin/ja08/Winning_articles/198_JA_EN.pdf http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/genocide_in_rwanda.htm http://www.islamawareness.net/Europe/Bosnia/ Or maybe I am completely off base ? I dunno but time and "repeating of history" will tell all .... at the end of the day. cheers
HERBIE1 Posted August 4, 2010 Posted August 4, 2010 Yes, this country is going to Sharia Law just as all of the Catholic churches are trying to force Canon Law onto the country. I am no religious expert, but Canon law governs churches only. Sharia law is about linking religion, politics, the criminal justice system, and the behavior of people- all aspects of their lives. Not even remotely the same thing. Sharia law does not allow for variations, deviations from their dogma, and anything that violates that law is treated as a criminal offense. Nobody claims Sharia law will take over here- we have far too many sane and rational human beings here for that to ever happen. The problem is, Sharia law VIOLATES our Constitution. It violates laws that people fought and died for.
JPINFV Posted August 4, 2010 Posted August 4, 2010 Nobody claims Sharia law will take over here- we have far too many sane and rational human beings here for that to ever happen. The problem is, Sharia law VIOLATES our Constitution. It violates laws that people fought and died for. However the claim is being made that a mosque equals Sharia law. If we have "too many sane and rational human beings" for that to happen, then I fail to see the concern. A mosque (or even several mosques) isn't going to suddenly turn a town into Kabul.
Just Plain Ruff Posted August 4, 2010 Posted August 4, 2010 This mosque is years away from being built. First they have to get the permits - supposedly at least a year process Second they have to tear the building down without damaging any of the existing nearby structures and that takes time Third, they have to fight the lawsuits which will tie this up in the courts for a year or many more Fourth they have to begin building this Mosque will take at least a year. IN the end it WILL be built. But during that time those who oppose the mosque can try to build a understanding and peaceful co-existance. Maybe this is not that bad of a thing.. I say this because in times like this some good can come of it. Muslims say they are members of a peaceful religion, that the majority of muslims do not believe in what the extremists stand for. Let's take them at their word and work with them and the organizers of the mosque project to keep the spotlight on the happenings there and make lemonade out of lemons. This is a great story about a Order of Nun's wanting to build a convent near Aushwitz http://online.wsj.com/article/NA_WSJ_PUB:SB10001424052748704271804575405330350430368.html
JPINFV Posted August 4, 2010 Posted August 4, 2010 What is "legal" is not necessarily politically correct or sensitive or even respectful of other religions like the ones that actually built and shaped North America ? However, the important term is legal. We can ban something just because one or a group of people are upset. Do you think that the muslims on the other side think it's sensitive or respectful that they are being treated as terrorists because of guilt by association? If you have an idiot coworker who goes off and does something grossly stupid, should the state EMS licensing authority be allowed to pull your license for no better reason than the fact that you worked at the same company? This situation will be repeated once the precedent has been established, as in the the minaret (just look to the UK [where today one can see the minaret right next to the Houses of Parliament] now a minaret next to the Twin Towers memorial ? I hope you can't see a steeple anywhere near any government buildings or near the Twin Towers memorial. Or that lovely and hardly "keep women down" Burka just what womens lib group are supporter of this sign of oppression ? http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/holy-post/archive/2009/10/07/muslim-group-calls-for-burka-ban-in-canada.aspx First off, is there any evidence that this mosque is going to be requiring or recommending burkas? Second, if a woman wants to wear a Burka, then that's her right, provided certain commonsense requirements are met (i.e. traffic stops, etc). This is supposed to be America. No one can force anyone to wear a burka. Radical Muslims or not, IMHO this a recipe for ongoing controversy and hatred .. not tolerance its a one way street apparently, this building of a mosque goes much deeper. Now factor in the these most serious controversy's in Belgium, Italy, France, OZ to mention a few this protest of many New Yorkers is not without merit. The difference in philosophy of the USA (a melting pot) compared to the rights insane Kanukistan (multiculturalism) no blending of culture it is most seriously becoming just isolated communities and very tribal in nature (man has not developed enough) just look to the "cultural gangs" being the true litmus paper. We have observed what has happened in Bosnia/Rwanda ++, those "cultural differences" did start civil wars ... FACT ! http://www.cogwriter.com/news/religious-news/burqa-banning-in-belgium-italy-france-and-australia/ http://journalistaward.stop-discrimination.info/fileadmin/ja08/Winning_articles/198_JA_EN.pdf http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/genocide_in_rwanda.htm http://www.islamawareness.net/Europe/Bosnia/ Or maybe I am completely off base ? I dunno but time and "repeating of history" will tell all .... at the end of the day. cheers Quick question. Would anyone here support banning churches near abortion clinics? After all, christians are well known abortion clinic bombers. Oh, wait. Those are radical christians, and not all christians are radical. However all muslims are radical, or have the potential to be radical.
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