As EMS/PHC Providers; Are We That Lazy?

[crotchitymedic1986]

the problem is none of this is about REFUSALS it's in fact aobut APPROPRIATE CARE OUTCOMES.

one of the reasons Health insurance is expensive inthe USA (aside from the admin bloat) is the way in which it encourages the status quo and unnecessary consumption of resources to meet some fantasy 'standard of care' promoted by lawyers and fee for service providers ...

Wonder why all those Canadians come to the US when they need real medical care ? Are you suggesting socialized medicine Ms. Obama

[zippyRN]

Wonder why all those Canadians come to the US when they need real medical care ? Are you suggesting socialized medicine Ms. Obama

ah the myth of mass international Health Tourism into the USA for procedures ... and how often is the Queue jumping or cosmetic ?

please take your McCarhty award and then sit down and shut the fornication up about 'socialised medicine' as though it is is some great communist plot ,

because after all the 'Death Panels' in the 'socialist' NHS killed Prof. Stephen Hawking ...

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100006517/stephen-hawking-not-killed-by-the-nhs/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6017878/Stephen-Hawking-I-would-not-be-alive-without-the-NHS.html

http://hopisen.wordpress.com/2009/08/11/stephen-hawking-not-killed-by-nhs-yet/

http://www.spectator.co.uk/alexmassie/5255761/stephen-hawking-has-not-yet-been-murdered-by-the-nhs.thtml

the USA has possibly the worst healthcare for a country which considers itself 'civilised' , odd how most of Western Europe , Canada, Aus and NZ comes out better in nearly every objective measure of performance other than ' how quickly can you get something done by paying cash', ' let's take so much blood for testing the patient will need a transfusion ' and ' let's irradiate people for the fun of it '...

[HERBIE1]

ah the myth of mass international Health Tourism into the USA for procedures ... and how often is the Queue jumping or cosmetic ?

please take your McCarhty award and then sit down and shut the fornication up about 'socialised medicine' as though it is is some great communist plot ,

because after all the 'Death Panels' in the 'socialist' NHS killed Prof. Stephen Hawking ...

http://blogs.telegra...led-by-the-nhs/

http://www.telegraph...ut-the-NHS.html

http://hopisen.wordp...led-by-nhs-yet/

http://www.spectator...y-the-nhs.thtml

the USA has possibly the worst healthcare for a country which considers itself 'civilised' , odd how most of Western Europe , Canada, Aus and NZ comes out better in nearly every objective measure of performance other than ' how quickly can you get something done by paying cash', ' let's take so much blood for testing the patient will need a transfusion ' and ' let's irradiate people for the fun of it '...

Using Stephen Hawking, one of the most brilliant minds in the world- as an example is not exactly an appropriate person to try to prove a point about this. Even early on in the course of his disease, when he was a young professor, I am quite sure there would have been a long line of folks more than happy to help subsidize his care- and first in line would have been his university. I am also quite sure they DO help him with his medical expenses. .

Money- and power- talks. Always has, always will. From communist Russia, to any uber-liberal European nation, to Castro's Cuba, this is reality. Do you really think Hawking's situation is in any way comparable to John Q British citizen, and that he needs to wait months for an appointment to see his doctors?

There is a reason we are were the greatest nation on earth. Why are some folks in such a hurry to change that? We used to be the world's leader in so many areas. Why is this a bad thing?

[zippyRN]

Using Stephen Hawking, one of the most brilliant minds in the world- as an example is not exactly an appropriate person to try to prove a point about this. Even early on in the course of his disease, when he was a young professor, I am quite sure there would have been a long line of folks more than happy to help subsidize his care- and first in line would have been his university. I am also quite sure they DO help him with his medical expenses. .

point missed here, the fact is his university aren't required to contribute to his medical bills - any more than any other employee ( via the employers NI contribution and the usual pay roll functions related to income tax and employees NI), I do however believe that his Personal Assistant (carer) is employed by the university , equally Frank Williams ( he's a C6 tetraplegic follwing an RTC) PA is employed by Williams F1 - but many people directly employ their PAs - and i know people with carer PAs who run small to medium businesses who employ their PA through that payroll...

Certain ill-informed 'Conservatives' suggested that the NHS would have killed off Hawking becauae of the so called 'Death Panels' the fact is Prof Hawking like the vast majority of UK residents doesn't have to pay out of his/her own pocket twice for health care...

Money- and power- talks. Always has, always will. From communist Russia, to any uber-liberal European nation, to Castro's Cuba, this is reality. Do you really think Hawking's situation is in any way comparable to John Q British citizen, and that he needs to wait months for an appointment to see his doctors?

that's the point Prof Hawking just like any other legal UK resident isn't waiting weeks to access primary care and doesn't get held for days in the ED if admitted as an emergency , because quite simply it doesn't happen - legal UK residents have 24/7/365 access to NHS funded primary care and if they are admitted to hospital as amatter of clinical urgency they will not be held for days in the ED waiting for a bed as a 12 hour bed wait is a Serious incident which triggers a review lead by region and reported to the highest levels ..

There is a reason we are were the greatest nation on earth. Why are some folks in such a hurry to change that? We used to be the world's leader in so many areas. Why is this a bad thing?

becasue quite simply the USA is deluding itself over the quality and equity of access to health care.

[HERBIE1]

point missed here, the fact is his university aren't required to contribute to his medical bills - any more than any other employee ( via the employers NI contribution and the usual pay roll functions related to income tax and employees NI), I do however believe that his Personal Assistant (carer) is employed by the university , equally Frank Williams ( he's a C6 tetraplegic follwing an RTC) PA is employed by Williams F1 - but many people directly employ their PAs - and i know people with carer PAs who run small to medium businesses who employ their PA through that payroll...

Certain ill-informed 'Conservatives' suggested that the NHS would have killed off Hawking becauae of the so called 'Death Panels' the fact is Prof Hawking like the vast majority of UK residents doesn't have to pay out of his/her own pocket twice for health care...

that's the point Prof Hawking just like any other legal UK resident isn't waiting weeks to access primary care and doesn't get held for days in the ED if admitted as an emergency , because quite simply it doesn't happen - legal UK residents have 24/7/365 access to NHS funded primary care and if they are admitted to hospital as amatter of clinical urgency they will not be held for days in the ED waiting for a bed as a 12 hour bed wait is a Serious incident which triggers a review lead by region and reported to the highest levels ..

becasue quite simply the USA is deluding itself over the quality and equity of access to health care.

Wishing and hoping do not make it so. Besides for things like experimental and untested treatments, how many Americans travel to places like Canada, the UK, or anywhere else for their medical care?

Look- do we have problems here? Of course. Do I think involving the government in the "solutions" to these problems is a good thing?

Absolutely not.

Beyond health care, we have shifted as a nation from self sufficiency to embracing dependence, entitlement, and victimization. How can that possibly be a good thing for our future?