Grandpa has a gun!

[medicgirl05]

If you have no knowledge of firearms that is one thing, but don't assume you know that they are not safe if you know nothing.

Unloading a weapon is not rocket science and you never ever point it at a person so even if you have an accidental discharge it isn't that big of a deal.

It is one thing to share ideas but it really is aggravating when people start judging others on something they have no idea about!

[mobey]

I perceive the problem as why the heck is this thread even created. It is a non issue. Unconscious, really dead patient with a licensed firearm on their person why is it even being brought up. Secure the firearm just like you do any other possessions of your patient and go on. Some mentioned firearms not being allowed on the ambulance, so if you find it after moving patient to ambulance just secure as mentioned previous sentence. Again non issue. People use some common sense.

How the hell is this a non issue?

If I EVER found a handgun on a patient it would be an experience i would never forget.

Discussing it now allows me to plan ahead in case I ever do have a call like this. Perhaps in Texas this is a normal occurrence, but just like before your hiatus, this forum does not revolve around you.

If this were a discussion about dealing with patients in a snowstorm in Florida I certaintly would not come in chest-out touting people to use common sense and demeaning the thread, I would offer my expertise in this area as a resource to those not used to such a occurence.

[tniuqs]

No firearms in my bus ever, PERIOD. How can you claim to be a safety advocate and then put a loaded gun in your ambulance.

Ah never been in a hostile environment when you NEED a firearm for safer travel ... meh.

[mobey]

No firearms in my bus ever, PERIOD.

So what is your answer to the scenario?

[tniuqs]

So what is your answer to the scenario?

Change feet ?

[spenac]

How the hell is this a non issue?

If I EVER found a handgun on a patient it would be an experience i would never forget.

Discussing it now allows me to plan ahead in case I ever do have a call like this. Perhaps in Texas this is a normal occurrence, but just like before your hiatus, this forum does not revolve around you.

If this were a discussion about dealing with patients in a snowstorm in Florida I certaintly would not come in chest-out touting people to use common sense and demeaning the thread, I would offer my expertise in this area as a resource to those not used to such a occurrence.

It's a non issue as to what are you going to do, why? You are going to treat your patient. Common sense says you will not throw the gun out the back of the ambulance, you will just leave it in place or lock it up with their other valuables. That ends the entire discussion w/o even having a discussion. Now if the OP asked how can I secure a firearm that I find on my patient because I have no experience, much better way for this discussion. But no we have people spouting I will never allow a gun on my ambulance. So I guess no common sense will be used and gun will be thrown out the back door to end up in some kids hands and ............... See what I mean just a little common sense or change wording of questions to get a proper discussion.

[mobey]

. So I guess no common sense will be used and gun will be thrown out the back door to end up in some kids hands and ............... See what I mean just a little common sense or change wording of questions to get a proper discussion.

No, I don't see what you mean.

Perhaps you should be responding to HLPP, rather than demeaning the thread and all the posters in it.

If we need the words changed to put the conversation the way you need it to be a productive part of the conversation, then by all means, start a new thread.

Those of us who do not need questions set up in a preticular format that is specific to us are trying to have a discussion.

[JPINFV]

No firearms in my bus ever, PERIOD. How can you claim to be a safety advocate and then put a loaded gun in your ambulance, or claim that you will handle a weapon you may have never seen, and attempt to unload it ?

1. Would that go for your "hardbody cops" as well?

2. What other objects do you not allow? If a patient has pepper spray on a key chain, do you refuse to transport them unless it gets left on the side of the road as well?

3. I'm fairly confident in my ability to safely handle all handguns in the same manner that I'm confident in my ability to handle all cars, even if I haven't been trained in driving every specific make and model ever made.

4. Finally, if you ever want to know a reason to carry a firearm, I highly suggest reading up on Warren v District of Columbia (1981).

So what is your answer to the scenario?

[biting sarcasm]

He bought his gun, he knew what he was getting himself into. Let him die.

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Edited November 27, 2011 by JPINFV

[hatelilpeepees]

I wonder how so many "experts" end up accidentally shooting themselves, family members and friends when they have handled their gun many times. Should I allow someones illegal cocaine in my bus as well because it is their property, how about their kiddie porn videos ? I would give the gun to someone and have them sign for it, not putting it in my ambulance, if it gets lost so be it. If you are dispatched to person down with gun in hand, are you going in or staging for PD ? If it is unsafe enough to keep you off-scene it is not safe in your ambulance.

[JPINFV]

I wonder how so many "experts" end up accidentally shooting themselves, family members and friends when they have handled their gun many times.

...because they fail to follow the simple rules for handling firearms. Yes, I never fail to follow the handful of simple rules for handling firearms because I take firearms deadly serious, even though my primary purpose of using firearms is for fun (trap shooting).

Should I allow someones illegal cocaine in my bus as well because it is their property, how about their kiddie porn videos ? I would give the gun to someone and have them sign for it, not putting it in my ambulance, if it gets lost so be it. If you are dispatched to person down with gun in hand, are you going in or staging for PD ? If it is unsafe enough to keep you off-scene it is not safe in your ambulance.

Cocaine with out a DEA number or prescription (cocaine is a schedule II drug)? Illegal.

Child pornography? Illegal.

Having a firearm? Not illegal depending on the circumstances (license to carry, in one's house, firing range, etc).

What if no one is around to sign and take possession of the firearm? Do police respond to every call you get? Do you never end up responding to someone who is alone at the time of the emergency?

Gun in hand, and in possession of a gun are 2 drastically different things.

Holsters? How do they work?