Just Plain Ruff Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 no happy ending. Never offered wouldn't take it if offered. I knew that was going to be one of the questions asked when I posted what I did. Maybe some people get them but I've never expected them so I guess if one was offered I'd probably be too shocked to say yes. Besides, that would make me unfaithful to my wife so my answer would obviously be NO. It's a pretty nice place, plush leather chairs, 60 inch HD TV's to watch the games, you get your hair cut, your massage and whatever other grooming you are getting done at the time. The stylists do not mix your drinks for you, that is your job. They are not bar maids. The only room you can drink in is the Pool table room, the sauna and where the liquor cabinet is. They actually fine you for bringing liquor out in the other areas because some of the members bring their son's with them who also are members. It's my one place I can go for 2-3 hours on any given day that I can relax. My wife is completely cool with it as long as it is only one time a week. We discuss which day I am going to go. My work allows me to be home one week and then travel the next so I am pretty much able to choose the day and time which works very well for me and my sanity of travel and kids. I truly believe that a massage a week keeps much stress away.
DwayneEMTP Posted April 18, 2012 Posted April 18, 2012 Yes. Next question. Strange response coming from you. I've not known you to litter threads before... Is this truly your only thought on the matter or were you just having a bad day?
DFIB Posted April 19, 2012 Posted April 19, 2012 It should be the Augusta GA country Club as to who their patrons are. I am a member of a all male member club as well as clubs that accept women. No problem for me either way.
DFIB Posted April 19, 2012 Posted April 19, 2012 Can you say that here? Dude, you picked up on that a little quick.
Just Plain Ruff Posted April 19, 2012 Posted April 19, 2012 He's a mod, he's got some filtering software that Male mods have installed on their computers. It picks up on that sort of stuff.
Steve Whitehead Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 Strange response coming from you. I've not known you to litter threads before... Is this truly your only thought on the matter or were you just having a bad day? I wasn't having a bad day...I don't think. And I could certainly elaborate. But yes, I was trying to make a point with my brevity. Should women be allowed in Augusta country club? The answer seems so plainly obvious to me that it didn't seem to warrant futher discussion. If that's insulting to the people on this forum who wish to debate it as if there is some merit to the discussion...I'm not sorry. Organizations, public or private shouldn't discriminate based on race, religion, sexual orientation or gender. Can they? Yes they can. They are free. It is their country club. They can do as they wish. They can be as stupid as they wish to be, in action and in ideology. But if you want to ask me Should They? Easy answer. One word. Should Augusta refuse membership to blacks? ...No. Should Augusta refuse membership to Jews? ...No Should Augusta refuse membership to gays? ...No Should Augusta refuse membership to Muslims? ...No Should Augusta refuse membership to Women? ...No We could go on and on and I can answer with one word every time. No litter. It's just an easy question. Start a thread debating if the world is round and will answer that one with one word as well. ;-) Now let's discus something worth debating. Those are so much more fun.
Steve Whitehead Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 My question is this. Who is the Augusta Golf clubs policy hurting? Is it specifically causing harm to women? Is it causing harm to men? Just who is it causing harm to? I can't see it causing harm to anyone other than those who think it is unfair. IT seems that every time someone makes a stink about making things fair in this society, that things just go to hell in a hand basket for those that they are trying to make it fair for. I would like to know, just WHO is this golf clubs policy of only admitting men by invitiation only hurting? The act of discrimination is hurtful. You can argue that if there is no specific victim then there is no wrong doing but I stongly disagree. Arguments like these were used to justify post civil rights "seperate but equal" segregation for years. We can demonstrate our discriminatory bias through seperation but we'll keep everything nice and equal. What you have, we have. Look...that's fair. No harm, no wrong doing right? You drink from your fountain labeled "black" and I'll drink from my fountain labeled "white" and everything will be just fine. Segregation is discrimination. I don't see this as one of those gray areas where it's OK in some situations and not in others. Gender based discrimination is wrong. The harm is not validated by identifying victims. The harm is recognized when we realize that the ideology is hurtful in-and-of-itself. As a side note - those "total woman gym" places that refuse membership to men are every bit as discriminatory as Augusta. If it's wrong for men to exclude women from a country club, it's wrong for women to exclude men from a workout facility. (I'm not a big fan of gender specific education either.) Respect, Steve
DFIB Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 The act of discrimination is hurtful. You can argue that if there is no specific victim then there is no wrong doing but I stongly disagree. Arguments like these were used to justify post civil rights "seperate but equal" segregation for years. We can demonstrate our discriminatory bias through seperation but we'll keep everything nice and equal. What you have, we have. Look...that's fair. No harm, no wrong doing right? You drink from your fountain labeled "black" and I'll drink from my fountain labeled "white" and everything will be just fine. Segregation is discrimination. I don't see this as one of those gray areas where it's OK in some situations and not in others. Gender based discrimination is wrong. The harm is not validated by identifying victims. The harm is recognized when we realize that the ideology is hurtful in-and-of-itself. As a side note - those "total woman gym" places that refuse membership to men are every bit as discriminatory as Augusta. If it's wrong for men to exclude women from a country club, it's wrong for women to exclude men from a workout facility. (I'm not a big fan of gender specific education either.) Respect, Steve Are both of them within their rights? Have either broken any laws? What is the difference between being selective of any group, social, economic, political? Must every institution accommodate everyone? These are the questions that I don't loose sleep over.
DwayneEMTP Posted April 20, 2012 Posted April 20, 2012 The act of discrimination is hurtful... I disagree. It's only hurtful when used in the politically correct sense that gives it the weight of anger, hate and fear. We discriminate constantly in science, choice of clothing, and yeah, certainly in social acquaintance. I understood the message in your brevity, but with this being an education forum, with the intelligence of your posts often being intimidating to those of my level of limited brain power, it felt as if your post was intended to be insulting only, or shallow to the extreme, both of which I had a hard time swallowing when coming from you. ... You can argue that if there is no specific victim then there is no wrong doing but I stongly disagree. Arguments like these were used to justify post civil rights "seperate but equal" segregation for years. We can demonstrate our discriminatory bias through seperation but we'll keep everything nice and equal. What you have, we have. Look...that's fair. No harm, no wrong doing right? You drink from your fountain labeled "black" and I'll drink from my fountain labeled "white" and everything will be just fine... That seems a very socialist idea to my reading. Would you then open the club to anyone? Should those with no money be allowed to play then? The homeless allowed to bath in the pool, or sleep in the lounge? All of their expenses covered by those that fund the club so as not to discriminate on financial social values? ...Segregation is discrimination. I don't see this as one of those gray areas where it's OK in some situations and not in others... If so, should you not then also be required to allow anyone that comes to you to live in your house so as not to discriminate based on financial or familial social status? Isn't it truly just a difference in degrees from one to the other? Should you have the right to separate your family from those that would choose to live in your house based on such an antiquated concept as 'family?' If my wife and I go to a bar I choose not to let the dirty, fat drunk guy share our table. Not from a belief that I am more valuable than he is, as I have no idea who he is, but simply because based on the way that he's chosen to spend his evening I'm confident that I won't enjoy his company. There's every chance that tomorrow I may have to beg a job from this very same person, but I've chosen the company that I want to be with while spending my time, and my money. It seems though, that your argument states that I, if I'm to be a good, non bigoted person, should allow him, and all others, to my table in the spirit of all inclusion. And that makes no sense to me. I believe that your previous brief argument works in a, what others but not me, might consider a perfect utopian world, but certainly not in a free world of genetically, emotionally, intellectually, sexually, spiritually evolved/evolving people that will always choose one type of company over another in certain situations. But then again, you're probably right, what could there possibly be to talk about regarding such a cut and dried subject? Thanks for your thoughts Brother... Dwayne
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