The Kiwi-ERDoc love fest continues

[Kiwiology]

Probably because the ones with high self esteem have caused you to max out your insurance's yearly limit for trauma related visits to the Urology clinic

Oh that reminds me of the time I got torsion when I was a kid, damn House Surgeon only gave me two panadol (paracetamol) because he wanted to wait until the Surgical Registrar had reviewed me, and the Surgical Registrar wasn't going to review me until the Anaesthetist had seen me, but he was in theatre ... Im like look the patient won't know any different if the anaesthetist comes down, fondles my throat and asks me to stick out my tongue now will he?

I was such a ... weird ... child

[ERDoc]

And it didn't stop at childhood.

[Kiwiology]

Whatever are you trying to say?

[ERDoc]

You're a smart bloke, I'll let you figure it out.

[Kiwiology]

I confuze, oh well some of teh valiumz will help

[Richard B the EMT]

You're a smart bloke, I'll let you figure it out.

I ain't dat smart, and I figgered it out, youze guyz.

[Kiwiology]

This article is very interesting http://benbrownmd.wordpress.com/2010/06/20/informedconsent/

It shows how an Internal Medicine Physician earns an average of $34 per hour

US Doctor

Average net income: $140,000

Amount earnt in residency $120,000 (net)

Student loan debt: $687,000 (the article describes how it is worked out)

Average hours worked per week: 56

Weeks worked per year: 48

Finishes internship at 29 years old retires at 65: 36 years working

Hours of training: 36,000

(140,000 x 36) + (120,000 - 687,000) / ((56 x 48 x 36) + 36,000) = $34p/h

NZ Doctor (NZD)

Average net income: $105,000

Amount of student allowance for 5 years of medical school: $25,000

Amount earnt in vocational training: $400,000 (net)

Student loan debt: $100,000 (extremely liberal estimate)

Average hours worked per week: 55

Weeks worked per year: 47

Finishes vocational training at 33 and retires at 65: 32 years working

Hours of training: 20,000

(105,000 x 32) + (425,000 - 100,000) / ((55 x 47 x 32) + 20,000) = $35p/h

So for shits and giggles lets say that an NZ Doctor only earns $1 more than his US counterpart, consider this, the average US Doctor pays $300,000 in loan principal PLUS interest for 20 years of his life meaning he is not able to use that income elsewhere, the NZ Doctor has a debt of at most $100,000 (which is an extremely liberal estimate) on which they pay no interest and have 12% a year of their earnings deducted by the Government to go towards their loan so they will pay it off in 11 to 12 years if they only pay the minimum amount.

If the student loan figures given by the article are correct, even tho I may earn only a dollar more than a US Doctor (given this is for internal medicine and I do not want to become an Internist, and WTF isnt all medicine except dermo "internal" medicine?) over the course of my working life I will get an extra half a million dollars of net income

I feel sorry for Emergentologist ... poor, poor Emergentologist

And if I go to Australia to work for a couple years and save my money so to graduate near (or totally) debt free, ca-ching I can cash in on my financial sense and probably pay my house off by the time I am a Consultant, sweet

Then that means for money for me and Emergentologist to blow at the casino in Vegas while Dwayne and James end up at Clark County Detention Centre

[ERDoc]

I can't comment on the NZ doctors but there is such a huge variation in all of those things in the US that even taking the average can be largely inaccurate.

[Kiwiology]

Because we only have two medical schools here and the student loan and tuition system is set by the Government there is no variation to speak of really.

Now I know why you like Motel 6 and did not buy Ruff dinner, but seriously dude you couldn't afford a 39c hamburger from whatever the northern equivalent of White Castle is?

If I can't get a gig with Lifeline (HEMS) I am totally going to heckle you so I can do one of my rotations at Mittenworld General

"Yes hello my name is Ben, I am one of the House Surgeons, ...."

"So what skinny white boy do you fix houses or something? How about you fix that wandering eye of yours?"

"Actually sir I am one of the junior doctors, now, what is the trouble?"

"The trouble is they sent you, a skinny white boy with a wandering eye, why don't you go to my house and fix the sink?"

"Because this is the emergency department, not gynaecology"

"Huh?"

"Stop saying things does it hurt when I push here?"

"No"

"Well it will after your exploratory laparotomy"

Edited June 5, 2012 by Kiwiology

[ERDoc]

You scare me dude. I think I just heard that Mittenworld doesn't allow those from below the equator. If you make it this way, give me a call, we'll see what we can do to hook you up with a rotation.