Most under-"utilised" (canadian term) peice of equ

[brentoli]

jw-c152,

The KED fit perfectly behind the pt. and the built it handles gives you something to hang on to and makes it easy to lift on to the cot. Sounds funny but it worked, sometimes you have to think out of the box to get things done.

Are we not allowed to reach under their armpits and grab their hands anymore?

Sounds a bit safer and more controlled to me.

Or, the "obesity tarp" would work well on a heavier patient as long as you could control the rate of laying them out.

I just fail to see how that is an effective use of the KED.

Underutilized equipment in my area is the MASTS.

When are MASTS indicated in your protocols? The only reason we still carry them is the state requires it. We are NOT supposed to use them. They are not even in the area curriculum anymore.

[spenac]

"When are MASTS indicated in your protocols? The only reason we still carry them is the state requires it. We are NOT supposed to use them. They are not even in the area curriculum anymore."

PASG are basically out of use most areas that I deal in. Numerous studies have shown little benefit in relation to the time involved in putting them on. Several studies have actually showed them to break the number one healthcare rule of cause no harm. The few instances that can be beneficial there are other devices and methods that are just as effective.

[EMS_GIRL]

[quote="Dustdevil"Before they dislocate their shoulders patting themselves on the back for all of their "out of the box" thinking, it would be nice if the morons you are working with first learned what was in the box, and even what the box is for.

Way too many morons in EMS who are overly impressed with their little tricks of the trade, yet apparently are clueless (or just plain lazy) about standard-of-care operations.

[spenac]

[quote="Dustdevil"Before they dislocate their shoulders patting themselves on the back for all of their "out of the box" thinking, it would be nice if the morons you are working with first learned what was in the box, and even what the box is for.

Way too many morons in EMS who are overly impressed with their little tricks of the trade, yet apparently are clueless (or just plain lazy) about standard-of-care operations.

Hey Dust,

This was taught to me when I was a NEWBIE EMR, by an EMT I had as my first partner. I didn't know better as I said in my first post this was only done 7 times in 9 years. I don't KED all pt. in a wheelchair, but it worked so we used it when we worked together.

[Dustdevil]

EMS girl you don't have to back down to Dust, come on and fight for your way. I never heard of your method but if it works and doesn't harm patient who's to complain. I do got to say it seems like a lot more work than other methods though.

LOL! Y'all misunderstood me. I wasn't criticising the use of the KED. I was criticising the NON-use of the KED. EMS_GIRL was saying that the only time they use the KED in her agency is for wheelchair patients, and that they never see the light of day on MVAs. So basically, these guys are really impressed with themselves for thinking of using a KED on a wheelchair patient, but they are too stupid, incompetent or lazy to use the KED when it is actually indicated. That is the point I was getting at.

Sorry if my point was not clear.

[akroeze]

LOL! Y'all misunderstood me. I wasn't criticising the use of the KED. I was criticising the NON-use of the KED. EMS_GIRL was saying that the only time they use the KED in her agency is for wheelchair patients, and that they never see the light of day on MVAs. So basically, these guys are really impressed with themselves for thinking of using a KED on a wheelchair patient, but they are too stupid, incompetent or lazy to use the KED when it is actually indicated. That is the point I was getting at.

Sorry if my point was not clear.

Ahhh, makes more sense now. I have to agree that your previous post certainly didn't convey this particular meaning

[jw-c152]

How many people carry canvas and poles?

How many have used them on a call?

*puts up hand*

Yep, used it on Friday.

[spenac]

LOL! Y'all misunderstood me. I wasn't criticising the use of the KED. I was criticising the NON-use of the KED. EMS_GIRL was saying that the only time they use the KED in her agency is for wheelchair patients, and that they never see the light of day on MVAs. So basically, these guys are really impressed with themselves for thinking of using a KED on a wheelchair patient, but they are too stupid, incompetent or lazy to use the KED when it is actually indicated. That is the point I was getting at.

Sorry if my point was not clear.

I get you now Dust. It is sad that laziness gets in the way of professionalism so often. If a patient is sitting there waiting why not protect the patient from injury and really yourself from lawsuits by using the gear you have.